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To: WaterDragon
I would think the overriding issue for Israelis is to stop the killing of Jews. Period. Whatever that takes.

Except for a relatively small number of zealots, religious nationalists with a messiah complex and their American supporters, most Israelis, and indeed most Jews everywhere, see it the way you do. I don't feel that holding onto lands with a million and a half hostile Arabs and a few thousand Jews stuck in there in Gaza made any sense at all.

There is nothing more important in Judaism than saving lives. There are no holy sites in Gaza and precious little Jewish history at all. There is lots of the "promised land" we don't control. I suppose some would want us to invade Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon to claim it. I prefer to believe that promise will be fulfilled when moshiach comes, not before.

So... I continue to support unilateral separation and I plan to vote for Kadima. I continue to be criticized and called a leftist on Free Republic even though I am center-right in Israel. If you don't agree with Benny Elon (or perhaps consider him too liberal) on Free Republic then you will be attacked and called insane. Get used to it.

17 posted on 01/08/2006 3:26:52 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: anotherview
There is nothing more important in Judaism than saving lives.

Is there some historical proof that walling yourself off in a ghetto saves lives?

There are no holy sites in Gaza and precious little Jewish history at all.

And when there are holy sites such as Joseph's Tomb? Does it make a difference?

There is lots of the "promised land" we don't control. I suppose some would want us to invade Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon to claim it. I prefer to believe that promise will be fulfilled when moshiach comes, not before.

What if Moshiach isn't going to come? What if he is here and now? I have always felt that, far more than any Jew waits for the Moshiach, Moshiach waits for the Jews. We have waited thousands of years to no avail. Perhaps action, rather than waiting, is what is needed. Maybe when we rip the blinders from our eyes, we will be able to see the Moshiach. The blinders of assimilation, materialism, and yes, the liberal political correctness that prevents us from identifying Amalek and doing what we're supposed to.

You, who are on the front lines, get to make the choice. I won't call you any names for making the one you feel in your heart to be correct, even though I am sure it cannot possibly work in the long term.

So where does that leave us? Am I supposed to remain silent when Jews are slaughtered? Am I supposed to support a process when all that process results in is murdered Jews?

21 posted on 01/08/2006 4:01:30 PM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: anotherview
There is nothing more important in Judaism than saving lives

PRE-cisely!!!!

So... I continue to support unilateral separation and I plan to vote for Kadima.

I'll be praying for Israel.

I continue to be criticized and called a leftist on Free Republic even though I am center-right in Israel

All I can say is a pox on them. I'm glad you are sticking to your guns on this.

27 posted on 01/09/2006 7:10:20 AM PST by WaterDragon
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