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To: DBeers
Actually the argument comes before this... It is that we only know the right thing because of God... If not for God then what is right or wrong is debateable e.g. morally relative and situationally derived... Punishment, Hell or consequence is a result of doing bad... SO -doing the right thing first and foremost requires knowing the right thing to do...

Interesting. This is a common form of argument against evolution, though it rests on several fallacies that have doubtless been pointed out to you before, and will be pointed out to you again.

I am intrigued however. What if you had a crisis and lost your faith. (Perhaps imagine a hypothetical situation where you become appalled by the repeated lies of those who profess to be Christian ;) ). Would you teach your children different morals under such circumstances? Would you behave differently (from a moral point of view)?

171 posted on 01/06/2006 11:17:52 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: Thatcherite
Interesting. This is a common form of argument against evolution, though it rests on several fallacies that have doubtless been pointed out to you before, and will be pointed out to you again.

I am intrigued however. What if you had a crisis and lost your faith. (Perhaps imagine a hypothetical situation where you become appalled by the repeated lies of those who profess to be Christian ;) ). Would you teach your children different morals under such circumstances? Would you behave differently (from a moral point of view)?

I have not actually stated my evolution and or ID position at least on this thread. I am a Christian -more specifcally a Catholic and I believe completely as the Church teaches.

As such and in regards to evolution I would probably agree with all that evolution posits that does not contravene or contradict what the Church teaches. You might be surprised regarding my beleiefs as to any fallacies that you may wish to attribute me and Catholics in general -feel free to point out your assumptions and I will given time do my best to respond.

As to a pssible crisis that might cause me to lose my faith -that could never happen as I am one of those fortunate and or unfortunate eneough to have had a brief moment of ecstasy -I have no doubt that God exists -never will have any doubt. This from my perspective is both a blessing and a curse -a blessing in that I have no doubt and a curse in that I can no longer ignorantly pursue some things and or avenues that I once may have -no more delusion for me --both a joy uplift and a cross to carry...

As to my children -the answer in general is that wrong actions are always wrong -regardless the actions each and every human being created in God's image merits dignity and respect. Of course there are some whose actions regrdless of respect due them merit just discrimination e.g. one does not leave thier children with a sexual predator...

172 posted on 01/06/2006 11:54:15 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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