Your post #162 is one excellent post...I have copied that for myself, for further reference...thanks so much for that...
They are indeed beautiful and highly apposite words by St Augustine that still ring true 1600 years later.
For what its worth I have attempted to use those words numerous times with creationists, but remarkably not one of them seems to have the slightest interest in the thoughts of one of the fathers of the church on the issue.