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Rose Bowl Live Thread
1/4/05 | me

Posted on 01/03/2006 8:36:04 PM PST by BurbankKarl

Edited on 01/04/2006 2:22:49 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

On January 4, 2006 at 5:00 p.m. (PST) the Rose Bowl Game will host the BCS National Championship, between USC and Texas once again showcasing the best of collegiate football in "The Granddaddy of Them All."® The Rose Bowl will be broadcast exclusively on ABC and on ESPN radio.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bcs; bowlgames; collegefootball; football; hookemhorns; longhorns; nationalchampionship; ncaa; pasadena; rosebowl; sports; texas; texasgetsowned; texaswillkillusc; trojans; usc; uscgetsowned; uscwasp0wned
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To: JeffAtlanta

I agree. No contest. I also think Vince is better equipped than frazier was (obviosuly I mean without the blood clots) to make some major noise on the next level.


3,321 posted on 01/04/2006 11:46:06 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: Echo Talon; harbinger of doom
Joey Bag O' Donuts went #3 four years ago. Someone can make the same mistake with Matt.

To be fair, every first round QB is just an educated crap shoot. When Manning was drafted, many felt that Ryan Leif was the superior QB.

It's just really hard to tell. Arm strength is one very good objective measure however, but I don't know how Lienhart measures up in this category.

In college, touch passes and floaters are very effective. In the NFL, every player is quick so most throws have to have some zip behind them. This is why a lot of Miami and Florida QBs did so well in college but were ineffective in college.

Drafting just on arm strength has it's own disadvantages though as it can lead you to a Ryan Lief and other such QBs that physical skills but cannot mentally handle the much faster and greatly more complex NFL game.

3,322 posted on 01/04/2006 11:48:10 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

I pray to God Jeff Bowden isn't the heir apparent. Bobby is legendary and all, but their are limits to devotion. There is simply no consituency for Jeff B to take over when Bobby retires... the only people that want that are our opponents and their fans.


3,323 posted on 01/04/2006 11:49:41 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: JeffAtlanta

I think Miami's defense was better than USC's


3,324 posted on 01/04/2006 11:49:54 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: JeffAtlanta

Err, well, to be honest, Leaf was mentally unprepared for a challenging game of checkers, nevermind the NFL...


3,325 posted on 01/04/2006 11:50:32 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: JeffAtlanta
This is why a lot of Miami and Florida QBs did so well in college but were ineffective in college.

This should read "but were ineffective in the NFL"

3,326 posted on 01/04/2006 11:51:02 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: faithincowboys
I agree. No contest. I also think Vince is better equipped than frazier was (obviosuly I mean without the blood clots) to make some major noise on the next level.

I dont know, I think they are very close. Vince may be a little better of a passer... Frazier was probably a little better at running people over :D although Yound does it good too :)

3,327 posted on 01/04/2006 11:51:57 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
I think Miami's defense was better than USC's

I was referring to the Nebraska - Florida game.

3,328 posted on 01/04/2006 11:53:02 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
Good points. Agreed. I'm not buying the Leinart hype.
Folks can say all day about him wanting to get the third championship; he knew he'd be holding a clipboard for the next three years. This year, he got to attend one class, hang out with the SC fawning wonders, and do generally, anything he wanted.

He was the quintessential BMOC. :)

3,329 posted on 01/04/2006 11:53:16 PM PST by harbinger of doom (Detroit Lions: The place where coaches go to bury their career...and apparently, quarterbacks.)
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To: Echo Talon
Texas earned it, they showed true heart with all those cramps and people getting hurt, an that #5 player getting his arm broke late in the game... They still hung in there.. they deserved this win.

Yep. ;o)
3,330 posted on 01/04/2006 11:53:40 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Hook'em Horns!)
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To: faithincowboys
I also think Vince is better equipped than frazier was (obviosuly I mean without the blood clots) to make some major noise on the next level.

Frazier was basically a running/option QB that could pass a little if he really had to.

Young's passing skills seem to be pretty well developed. At this point, I think he is a much more effective and accurate passer than Michael Vick. I have no idea how well he is at reading defenses though.

3,331 posted on 01/04/2006 11:55:15 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

But Ken Dorsey....! LOL. Well, he is getting paid some decent money and is a pro QB. There must be a gi-normous drop off for some GM to scoop the likes of Dorsey up.


3,332 posted on 01/04/2006 11:55:23 PM PST by harbinger of doom (Detroit Lions: The place where coaches go to bury their career...and apparently, quarterbacks.)
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To: harbinger of doom

I predict this regarding those guys in the pros.

Leinert will do well in the NFL but probably not as well as Carson Palmer. Young is not the pro passer you need and will get the you know what kicked out of him ala Steve McNair or Dante Culpepper. A running quarterback just will not survive in the NFL.

White will not succeed and Bush will be a standout for 3-5 years before he's beaten to a pulp and out. Remember that guy at Denver (Terrell?). Could be wrong there and I hope I am. He's explosive and I'd like to watch him for a long time.

That huge lineman for SC has a bright pro career. As well, that DB Huff for Tx.


3,333 posted on 01/04/2006 11:55:48 PM PST by bellevuesbest
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To: Echo Talon
Penn State was exposed. Florida States speed gave them fits....PS couldn't turn the corners all night.

An FS team with even half an offense would whipped them.

3,334 posted on 01/04/2006 11:56:12 PM PST by zarf (The BCS sucks.)
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To: zarf

You're right...the BCS got lucky this year.


3,335 posted on 01/04/2006 11:57:57 PM PST by harbinger of doom (Detroit Lions: The place where coaches go to bury their career...and apparently, quarterbacks.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
In the NFL, every player is quick so most throws have to have some zip behind them. This is why a lot of Miami and Florida QBs did so well in college but were ineffective in college.

How do you explain Bernie Kosar?

The guy was a frikken dork, with a weak arm, no legs and all he did was win.

3,336 posted on 01/04/2006 11:59:12 PM PST by zarf (The BCS sucks.)
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To: harbinger of doom
Folks can say all day about him wanting to get the third championship; he knew he'd be holding a clipboard for the next three years. This year, he got to attend one class, hang out with the SC fawning wonders, and do generally, anything he wanted.

I agree. By staying a year he was able to have a great time and get laid by every hot girl at USC - which there are plenty of those.

He did cost himself a few million dollars though as he would have certainly been the #1 pick in last year's draft. He also took a huge risk - one injury would have cost him his career.

If a player can go in the top 10, he should always leave for the NFL. The chance of injury in football is too great.

3,337 posted on 01/04/2006 11:59:24 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
I was referring to the Nebraska - Florida game.

Doh... thanks for the correction. :D

3,338 posted on 01/04/2006 11:59:49 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: bellevuesbest
Young is not the pro passer you need and will get the you know what kicked out of him ala Steve McNair or Dante Culpepper. A running quarterback just will not survive in the NFL.

how about Young at Reciever or Tightend? The talent is to great to pass up I said the same thing last year before the draft and wanted the Bears to draft Matt Jones! Imagine if the Bears had Matt Jones right now... We didn't need Benson!

3,339 posted on 01/05/2006 12:03:48 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: zarf
How do you explain Bernie Kosar?

LOL - he was the prominent exception that was going to name. I think he won because he mentally understood the game very well which more than made up for his lack of arm strength.

I was thinking more of the Florida QBs like Shane Matthews, Terry Dean and Danny Wuerffel and Miami QBs like Walsh, Erikson and Torreta.

3,340 posted on 01/05/2006 12:04:05 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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