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New seat belt law goes into effect today; hope is it will save lives (S.C. nanny statism)
The Times and Democrat ^ | December 09, 2005 | RICHARD WALKER

Posted on 01/03/2006 5:55:41 PM PST by snowsislander

The number of people who have died on South Carolina roads so far this year hit 1,011 as of late Thursday.

But today, the state’s primary seat belt law goes into effect. Officials hope it will lead to a reduction in the number of road deaths and injuries.

“In this troop alone, we have had a total of 95 fatalities,” said Capt. C. N. Williamson of South Carolina Highway Patrol Troop 7, which includes Orangeburg County. “Sixty-five of the 95 were not wearing a seat belt. At least half would have lived if they had of worn their seat belts.”

In 2002, South Carolina ranked only behind Montana and Mississippi in the number of road deaths, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. This year, South Carolina is edging toward a record number of deaths, which peaked in 1972 at 1,099.

Until today, South Carolina had a secondary enforcement law for seat belts. Under that law, drivers could not be stopped for not wearing a seat belt. They could, however, be ticketed for not wearing a seat belt if they were stopped for other violations.

Now, law enforcement officials may stop a motorist if anyone in the vehicle is seen not wearing a seat belt.

Sixteen-year-old Shane Barber has had his permit for about four months.

“I think it’s a good idea,” Barber said. “Seat belts don’t save you every time, but it will keep you from going through the windshield.”

Barber said he wears his seat belt regardless of the law.

“All the time. It’s automatic,” he said.

For a driver or passengers older than 18, the penalty for violating the primary seat belt law is $25. The fine can’t be reduced in court.

However, drivers are also responsible for passengers younger than 18. Anyone under the age of 18 not wearing a seat belt can cost a driver a $25 fine.

On the other hand, wearing a seat belt may in the long run put money back into motorists’ pockets through a reduction in insurance rates, said Bruce White, State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance spokesman.

White said South Carolina’s new seat belt law won’t lead to an immediate reduction in rates. It could lead to lower rates if it reduces the number of fatalities and injuries.

If fatality and injury figures do drop, the costs to insurance companies will decline. Because insurance companies base their rates on their claim experience over a number of years, a reduction in the amount they pay out could lead to a reduction in costs.

Any reduction would probably not be significant in the first year after the change, unless there were a significant decline in injuries. The reduction could be significant, however, if it led to a reduction over a three to five-year period.

“We use several years claim experience” to determine rates, White said.

In addition, officials say taxpayers could see a savings in the form of lowered medical expenses for the state.

Williamson said the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has estimated that a change to a primary law will increase seat belt usage in the state by 11 percent. The most recent safety belt survey by S.C. Department of Public Safety shows about 70 percent of South Carolinians are buckling up.

NHTSA estimates that the 11 percent increase could prevent approximately 64 fatalities each year, 650 serious injuries and save approximately $140 million in taxpayer dollars.

“They (motorists) need to listen to that,” Williamson said. “Just as a doctor diagnoses you with cancer, you have a certain amount of time. If they keep going without a seat belt, they’re going to die, simple as that.”

But more than insurance rates or tax dollars, White says the new seat belt law “really boils down to a safety issue.”

Orangeburg Department of Public Safety Chief Wendell Davis agreed. The most important issue at hand is the reduction of fatalities and injuries in a state that ranked third in the nation in 2002 for traffic deaths, he said.

“I know of situations where had they been wearing a seat belt, they would not have been injured,” Davis said. Cost savings are important, “but it all goes back to life.”

Officials say that, as with any new law, there is a concern in minority communities that they could be targeted by the new statute.

Statistics that must be kept on the seat belt tickets written will be examined on a periodic basis to ensure an officer isn’t targeting one gender or race, Davis said.

The new statute will be vigorously enforced, Davis said, with officials expecting the high number of tickets to taper off once the public grasps the meaning of the primary law.

“It’s not an issue where ’this is just another way to write more tickets,’” Davis said. “It is, frankly, being put in place to reduce the number of injuries.”

From median safety barriers to reduced speeds on certain state roadways, officials say the new primary seat belt statute is the latest attempt to change South Carolina’s dieways back to highways.

“We’re going to do whatever it takes to save the lives of the citizens of South Carolina. Whatever it takes to convince you to put on that seat belt, that’s what we’re going to do,” Williamson said.

# T&D Staff Writer Richard Walker can be reached by e-mail at rwalker@timesanddemocrat.com or by phone at 803-533-5516.


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KEYWORDS: nannystate; primaryseatbelt; seatbelts
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I think that it is a very safe assumption that, contrary to the confident assertions in this pap, that automobile insurance rates in South Carolina will not be reduced.
1 posted on 01/03/2006 5:55:44 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander
The number of people who have died on South Carolina roads so far this year hit 1,011 as of late Thursday.

Sounds like S.C. has turned into a quagmire.

2 posted on 01/03/2006 6:02:43 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: snowsislander

Please -- can someone explain to me why states have seat belt laws with a lot heftier fines than this one indicates for not having a belt on in a 3000 lb car, suv, etc - yet they allow people to ride motocycles which basically makes people a flying missle? I'm not in favor of outlawing motorcycles, it just strikes me odd that it's perfectly legal to sit on a rocket at 65 mph just holding onto handlebars but illegal to be seated in a 60 mph volvo without that strap keeping you on the seat...


3 posted on 01/03/2006 6:03:12 PM PST by Froggie
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To: snowsislander

Exactly right. We have to deal with this absurdity even in the red state of IN. Surprise, surprise, the police use it as an excuse to stop people and snoop around...


4 posted on 01/03/2006 6:06:46 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: The Worthless Miracle
I will give it 10 replies before sheep start bahhhing
5 posted on 01/03/2006 6:10:25 PM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: Froggie
Please -- can someone explain to me why states have seat belt laws with a lot heftier fines than this one indicates for not having a belt on in a 3000 lb car, suv, etc - yet they allow people to ride motocycles which basically makes people a flying missle? I'm not in favor of outlawing motorcycles, it just strikes me odd that it's perfectly legal to sit on a rocket at 65 mph just holding onto handlebars but illegal to be seated in a 60 mph volvo without that strap keeping you on the seat...

If memory serves, ironically South Carolina was in fact a pioneer in removing its mandatory helmet law for motorcyclists back in the 1980s. (I think this was the result of a South Carolina Supreme Court ruling, but my Google searches are not verifying that memory.)

6 posted on 01/03/2006 6:14:17 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander
This has NOTHING to do about them caring about lives. They could care less.

It's all about revenue enhancement and how many tickets can they issue to people not wearing seat belts.

When this first started in Texas they were saying you would only be given a seat belt violation if you were stopped for another violation. Total B.S. It soon escalated into a major revenue source. This in turn led to seat belt check points, which in turn led to ILLEGAL searches and seizures, which led to...well you get the point.

IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY!!


7 posted on 01/03/2006 6:15:54 PM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: snowsislander

Seat belts are a great idea and a really bad law.


8 posted on 01/03/2006 6:19:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: snowsislander
I love the advertisements for insurance in California, where auto-insurance folks proudly proclaim that they give significant discounts to good drivers. 20%, the legal minimum in our utopia of nanny states. I can't find a single auto insurance company that gives any bigger discount for good drivers than that.

So yeah, insurance rates will not go down. It may actually go up. The ugly truth is that death benefits can sometimes be half or less than what a jury will award someone who sits before them in a wheelchair with obvious disabilities.

As for the whole concept; I've always worn a belt, I'd wear a belt if it was the law or not. I don't care to demand that others follow the same lead; I will for those in the car I'm driving, but if they're in someone else's car, no skin off my teeth. (Sorry, but seen far too many instances of people doing the aerial box-ballet, and I don't want to be a bumper for them.)

Then again, what makes driving on the wrong side of the street illegal? The US is the only country I know of that takes such a stand. If there's others on the opposite side, then that's reckless driving, not driving on the wrong side. If it is safe, say, pulling to the curb on the wrong side of the street in a residential area, why declare it to be illegal?

Bah, random ranting. Long and short: zero savings to auto insurers means zero savings to the consumer, legislative fixes will simply lead to higher insurance rates for possibly just a minority, and loads of police taken off the streets from fighting violent crime to write little old ladies up for not wearing a belt that they made it through 80 years of life just fine without.
9 posted on 01/03/2006 6:21:11 PM PST by kingu
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To: unixfox

My father-in-law - who is in early stages of Alzheimers was visiting here from Minnesota...He took his car to the local Walgreens, got in his car and backed out of the parking place...was driving in the parking lot toward the driveway to the road and noted his belt was caught in the door...he stopped to open the door and put on the belt and a local Barney Fife type officer saw he didn't have his belt on and ticketed him for driving without the belt...he paid a ticket of....just shy of $150.00....it IS all about revenue.


10 posted on 01/03/2006 6:25:05 PM PST by Froggie
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To: snowsislander
I think that it is a very safe assumption that, contrary to the confident assertions in this pap, that automobile insurance rates in South Carolina will not be reduced

The insurance industry always claims that mandatory insurance and seatbelt laws will reduce rates. They never have. This is just a money maker for insurance companies and law enforcement. When you get a seatbelt ticket, your insurance company raises your premium and the traffic court collects a fine.

It's all about the money.
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11 posted on 01/03/2006 6:37:19 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: snowsislander
Motorcyclists under the age of 21 must wear a helmet. For riders 21 and over helmets are optional. It is the main reason that Myrtle Beach is the site of several bike rallys every summer.
12 posted on 01/03/2006 7:01:47 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Bush lied, people dyed....their fingers.)
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To: snowsislander; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...
South Carolina Ping

Add me to the list. | Remove me from the list.
13 posted on 01/03/2006 7:02:55 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Bush lied, people dyed....their fingers.)
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To: snowsislander

More nannyism. Why not require people to walk around with helmets and kneepads and elbow guards?


14 posted on 01/03/2006 7:08:26 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: vrwc0915

Well, okay, but what is your opinion? Do you agree with the seat belt law? If so, why?


15 posted on 01/03/2006 7:08:48 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: The Worthless Miracle
I wear my seat belt, I resent that I can be detained for not doing so!
16 posted on 01/03/2006 7:09:54 PM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: snowsislander

Seatbelt laws give authorities another chance to catch terrorists. If just one terrorist is caught and a side benefit is increased safety, especially for kids, how can anyone argue against such a law?


17 posted on 01/03/2006 7:16:13 PM PST by Barry Goldwater
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To: FlingWingFlyer

27 out of 1000 if you extrapolate from the state population.


18 posted on 01/03/2006 7:19:08 PM PST by perfect stranger
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"Please -- can someone explain to me why states have seat belt laws with a lot heftier fines than this one indicates for not having a belt on in a 3000 lb car, suv, etc - yet they allow people to ride motocycles which basically makes people a flying missle?" ,

Because bikers understand and enjoy freedom much more so than cagers, and subsequently work together and fight against such nanny state laws.

Soccer moms and girly men think the nanny state is a good thing.

19 posted on 01/03/2006 7:42:44 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: snowsislander
Personally, I would appreciate it if drivers I encounter would use their restraint system(s), not for their safety but for my safety. It doesn't take much of a collision to jar a driver loose from the steering wheel. In the event of a collision I would prefer the drivers remain in contact with the steering mechanism.

I know I will be flamed (again) but it's my humble opinion that my rights end where someone else's begin. And for the record, that works both ways. I try to be considerate of those around me. I consider it part of my obligation if I expect the same from consideration from others.
20 posted on 01/03/2006 10:06:13 PM PST by jwpjr
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