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To: highball

You posted: They have to say that it does (wink, wink). How else are they going to do an end run around the Constitution?

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Agree. In my view, separation of religion and government is good for both society and religious institutions.

The ID mindset is superstitious in nature. There are many people who are happy to see science and rationalism debased, because they hold to views about psychic phenomena, UFOs, appearances of the Virgin Mary in weird places, astrology, dowsing, predictions of Nostradamus, hidden codes in the Bible, reincarnation, a heaven/paradise after death, and a hundred other non-rational beliefs. The fundamental issue is a rational, healthy outlook on the world, with joy in its beauties and sadness for what some people sometimes do vs. a supernatural outlook, in which gods intervene willy-nilly, some people have "hidden psychic powers", and happiness is determined (or pre-determined) by weird un-understandable forces that do not stand up to rational inquiry.

The evolution/development of modern understandings of disease and medicine is a powerful statement of the value of science, unencumbered by 2000-year-old beliefs. In Biblical times, nobody knew about sperm or ova or the circulation of the blood or about germs or about physics or geology.

The notion of ID dismisses everything learned--at considerable human effort--in the 2000 years since.


161 posted on 01/03/2006 4:13:07 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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To: thomaswest
"In my view, separation of religion and government is good for both society and religious institutions."

Your view does not comport with the view of the Founding Fathers, the Nation's History (even very recent history) and/or World History (thankfully).

There is no separation of "religion and government" other than the government can't establish a state run church/denomination.

Congress still opens session in prayer and has a chaplain.

A three judge panel (state supreme court...in the south somewhere) just recently decided for the public display of the Ten Commandments and other religious references, on a Ten Commandment case, and one judged stated that no reasonable person would agree with the ACLU's position in regard to there being a "wall of separation" between church and state that disallowed all religious reference.

170 posted on 01/03/2006 4:28:23 PM PST by pby
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