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Revote today [Dover, PA school board]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 January 2006 | TOM JOYCE

Posted on 01/03/2006 12:12:37 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: xzins; betty boop; P-Marlowe
It is necessary for us to post a thread that clearly and CONCISELY presents the hypothesis: its definition, its limits, its promise, and its problems.

That's a great idea! Who would you like to do it?
721 posted on 01/04/2006 10:42:12 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: highball

Thanks for your post! But, er, a lot of people would also say that methodological naturalism, scientific materialism and the ilk are "spinning". Some would say that the theory of evolution is a "spin" - a continuum deduced from quantizations of another continuum (fossils in the geologic record) - or in the lingo, a "just so" story.


722 posted on 01/04/2006 10:48:41 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: betty boop

Indeed! Great catches, my dear sister in Christ!


723 posted on 01/04/2006 10:49:32 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: betty boop; PatrickHenry; YHAOS; hosepipe
What a magnificient essay-post, betty boop! And what an engaging conversation y'all have been having in this sidebar.

The Supreme Court, IMHO, for decades was intent on secularizing the United States to conform it to the "progressive" ideological and even perhaps judicial model of the European countries. This is of course contrary to the Constitution - and is particularly evident in their prior - and woefully confusing - interpretations of the First Amendment.

The Lemon precedent uses a "secular" test. That is not a Constitution-based test - it is bad law and needs to be fixed.

The Constitution must never again be treated as an etch a sketch by the Supremes.

724 posted on 01/04/2006 11:03:31 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Why don't you supply an example of a mathematically inaccessible entity so we can all be amused by the chaos?

I cannot think of one that actually exists in our universe, so the burden is upon you -- my limited imagination says you are talking nonsense, so feel free to prove me wrong. I yearn to be awed by your intellect.

725 posted on 01/04/2006 11:08:29 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

It is sadly amusing that when faced with hard arguments that you retreat into nonsense. If you had an argument, you could deftly slay my arguments with rigorous abandon. Oddly, that is not what has actually happened. Huh.


726 posted on 01/04/2006 11:10:15 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Virginia-American
Thank you for your posts!

Richard Dawkins was the first Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at the University of Oxford and was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society. (among other things)

On your other issue, intelligence is not simple awareness or consciousness but also includes decision and process. The selection of a mate requires all three: awareness, decision and process.

727 posted on 01/04/2006 11:12:57 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Alamo-Girl

My guess is that there's an article out there that fills the bill. Whoever finds it first should post it? What do you think?


728 posted on 01/05/2006 12:06:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: MineralMan
Gravity's an amazing thing, huh?

It seems that those most eager to postulate a designer would have trouble operating a can opener.

729 posted on 01/05/2006 12:08:15 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: mlc9852
But they will eventually come down, right?

Before you continue lecturing other people about science you should learn some. Come back when you can undetstand hy the moon is getting father away from the earth rather than gradually falling down.

730 posted on 01/05/2006 12:17:27 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I am also a firm believer in the fallibility of human reason.

If you speak from personal experience, I support you in this.

731 posted on 01/05/2006 12:20:18 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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MoveTowardtheLight placemark


732 posted on 01/05/2006 12:49:40 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: js1138

If you don't approve of my posts, feel free to skip right over them. I won't be offended.


733 posted on 01/05/2006 2:39:46 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: MineralMan

Not sure you could recognize either.


734 posted on 01/05/2006 2:54:25 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: MineralMan

"If not, they won't ever come down anywhere."

How can you prove that?


735 posted on 01/05/2006 3:00:32 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: MRMEAN
It Still Doesn't Move

Great post, great tagline. I even liked that graphic.

736 posted on 01/05/2006 3:43:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: tortoise
It is sadly amusing that when faced with hard arguments that you retreat into nonsense.

It seems to me the retreat has been in the other direction, namely in refusing to prove how/whether the measure of predictive error complexity applies to organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws; how this esoteric math, into which you yourself retreat, demolishes the reasonable inference that where there are intelligble phenomena, intelligence may be involved in its construction and maintenance. Is that clear enough, or is that "nonsense," too?

737 posted on 01/05/2006 4:27:01 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138

Many of us here (myself included) opposed the President's choice of Miers for the Supreme Court, especially after we learned of her speech in the 90's where she seemed to endorse Roe. Will you oppose Alito if it appears he'll join Scalia & Co. in opposing the ACLU interpretation of the Establishment Clause? Will any of the others here oppose his confirmation and hold out for a more liberal judge?


738 posted on 01/05/2006 4:28:05 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: js1138
If you speak from personal experience, I support you in this.

And if I don't will you altogether disavow the fallibility of human reason, be only a slight believer, or set yourself up as its infallible king?

739 posted on 01/05/2006 4:33:49 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: PatrickHenry; MRMEAN
. . . great tagline.

It would be even better if it were true.

740 posted on 01/05/2006 4:37:49 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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