Vatican Says Jerusalem "Issue" is Too Important to Leave to Israel, PA

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[Diego1618]

and rejecting the true Church ordained by Christ....

The Church ordained by Christ was "The Church of God". You'll find this commanded in John 17:11, [Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name- the name you gave me-so that they may be one as we are one]. In other words the name of God Himself.....not Catholic....or Universal....or any other such appellations of mankind.

Also see Acts 20:28/I Corinthians 10:32/I Corinthians 11:22/I Corinthians 15:9/Galatians 1:13/I Corinthians 1:2/ II Corinthians 1:1/ I Timothy 3:5/ I Timothy 3:15/ I Corinthians 11:16/ I Thessalonians 2:14/ II Thessalonians 1:4. These are all the places you will find the Church of God identified in scripture and you will never see the Church established by Jesus Christ called anything else.

God established the Seventh Day Sabbath as holy and your organization, with out the slightest Biblical authority, changed it to suit their purposes.

[Diego1618]

He was not only in Rome, but was crucified there, and his remains are buried there.

Chapter and verse please? I will not accept your tradition as it has been so lacking about so many things in the past.

I have given you scripture to show you your error....all you can give me is hearsay.

[Esther Ruth]

Agree
With all my heart -

[Esther Ruth]

All the thieves cursing Israel and God's Chosen will have HIM to answer to Very Soon!

[kerryusama04]

Man, have these points been debated to death on FR! I do believe that the church was given the "binding and loosing" power, otherwise why would Jesus have said it? But that power i\has to be within scriptural parameters: Isa 8:20 To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them.

A huge point on SDA doctrine - you don't have to believe in EG White to be an SDA. My general rule of thumb is to study the scriptures and worship in the church that most closely matches what you find. While I don't believe membership in a church can save you, I also don't believe that it can condemn you either.

Later, FRiend

[Diego1618]

The RC & Orthodox Churches have hundreds of years and the guidance of the Church Fathers, some of whom sat at the feet of Jesus himself!

Strange you should mention this; Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna himself did not honor your Sunday observance and kept the Passover on the 14th of Nisan/Abib as was the custom of the Apostle John. Polycarp was a disciple of John who not only sat at the feet of Jesus....but reclined on his breast, John 21:20 at the Last Supper. It is interesting that John was given the responsibility for the care of Mary and also the last Apostle to die. He taught Polycarp and others the correct ways of the Lord and not the strange customs, myths and traditions your organization eventually came up with.

It is very telling that John still celebrated the Passover on the 14th, which floated....different days year to year, instead of the "Resurrection Sunday" your organization came up with.

[Windsong]

Neither side could be trusted with that agreement as far as 1949 was concerned.

[sheik yerbouty]

Excogitate if you will..

[TexConfederate1861]

Will you accept historical FACT?
Scientists have proven that Peter's Remains are there....

[TexConfederate1861]

Not "MY" organization...THE CHURCH. In the Orthodox Church, we celebrate Easter or Pascha according to the Julian Calendar, subject to the day passover falls on.

[antisocial]

"That has largely been refuted by a number of books."

Ok, can you provide sources ?

[antisocial]

I'm so glad to see your posts on this thread. Maybe you can help many to see the damage that has been done by "replacement theology".
G-d bless you.

[Diego1618]

In the Orthodox Church, we celebrate Easter or Pascha according to the Julian Calendar, subject to the day passover falls on.

Now brace yourself......Jesus and all of the Apostles used the Hebrew calendar......including the Apostle John who personally taught Polycarp.

Jesus spent 72 hours(three days)in the grave according to scripture. Do the orthodox show three full days from burial to resurrection?

[Diego1618]

Will you accept historical FACT? Scientists have proven that Peter's Remains are there....

I guess the the proof will be in the "Pudding". Lets see it.

[Buggman]

Sorry, lost your replies in my new posts list.

But I am curious, just what tradition is it that YOU believe violates or contradicts scripture?

This, for one:

You shall not make to yourselves any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I YHVH your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate Me,
--Exodus 20:4-5

Changing the Sabbath to Sunday is another example. To be fair, many of my Protestant brethren flub the same command, but they claim neither apostolic succession, guardianship of the supposedly apostolic traditions, nor their denominations to be the "one true Church," so I generally leave them alone about it. Those who make such claims are rightly held to a far higher standard.

[Buggman]

1. RC & EO DO NOT "WORSHIP" DEAD PEOPLE....

You bow down to statues of them in defiance of the specific Scriptural injunction against doing so. 'Nuff said.

What makes you think the 7th day is SATURDAY? God doesn't go by our calendar. ( I can back that up scripturally if you like.) It doesn't say saturday anywhere!

The seventh day has always been what we call Saturday. The fact that there was a specific change in Christian circles is well-attested by the early Church fathers--you'd think a traditionalist like yourself would be too well aware of that to try to claim otherwise.

What son would deny anything that his mother asks?

By that logic (and indeed, by Hebraic thought), neither is Yeshua greater than David, His forefather, since no son was ever considered greater than or in authority over His ancestors. And yet, Yeshua "He said to them, How then does David by the Spirit call him Lord, saying, "the LORD said to my Lord, Sit on My right until I make Your enemies Your footstool for Your feet?" If David then calls Him Lord, how is He his son?" (Mat. 22:43-45)

All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to the Messiah Yeshua (Mat. 28:18, Phi. 2:9-11), and therefore it is Mary who does as He commands, not He who can be swayed by His mother.

Furthermore, even if we were to suppose that Mary's requests had some influence (and suppose further that Mary were omniscient enough to hear your petitions), why should we suppose that she would be more willing to hear your requests than He? Can Miryam, however righteous she may be, love you a millionth part so much as God? If you are truly in the Messiah, God is your Father, your Bridegroom, your Friend, even your Brother (cf. Mat. 12:50)--how then should we suppose that the proper way to get His attention is through His earthly mother?

If my friends, whom I loved dearly and loved communion with, consistantly went to my mother to get her to influence me, I would be insulted. How much more then does attempting to manipulate the God who died for you by His mother insult Him and His Grace?

Miryam deserves better than to be "used" in such a way.

[Buggman]

I believe that Christ gave authority to his Church, including the "binding & loosing" you mentioned.

"Binding and loosing" does not give one the authority to change the least letter of Scripture. It only gives one the authority to show how to apply the Scriptures.

[Buggman]

Thanks for the encouragement, friend. God bless!

[TexConfederate1861]

Read the Decrees of the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon.......then get back to me.

[TexConfederate1861]

More Protestant Hogwash.