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1 posted on 01/02/2006 4:30:27 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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Wouldn't you love to be the priest that hears this judges "confession"?
I think there is a line in CS Lewis' "Chronicles of Narnia" that basically says "Just because you cannot see it, does not mean that it is not there."


28 posted on 01/02/2006 4:51:10 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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Ping for later digestion


29 posted on 01/02/2006 4:53:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Proverbs 12:10)
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1st-century Palestine

Very telling!

Prove there was such a thing.

31 posted on 01/02/2006 4:54:49 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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I believe that Josephus writings alone proves there was a historical Jesus. As far as I'm concerned, I don't believe that almost all of Jesus disciples died horrible deaths believing in a myth.
33 posted on 01/02/2006 4:56:00 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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Here's an interesting question --

Why does he get to discount the Gospels? Why should he be able to do that?

36 posted on 01/02/2006 4:57:52 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Under this atheist's logic no one can prove anything by writing a testimony down today, because tomorrow he will reject it. He is saying because the people who wrote their testimonies of Jesus are dead, we can't really prove they actually knew and saw him. By his rule we can't prove Hitler existed--those photos and written reports by people who are now dead can't be trusted.


37 posted on 01/02/2006 4:58:12 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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No, really...If I understand this correctly, he's basically saying that at least two and perhaps three respected and influential historians of the era either got conned or made stuff up. Is that right?

I'm sort of reminded of the Washington Mutual commercial about Jen, the integrity-challenged lawyer:

"Is DNA really [finger quotes] 'evidence'?"...[shakes head, mouths "no"]


40 posted on 01/02/2006 5:04:54 PM PST by RichInOC ("Kudos, Jen. We appreciate your bold honesty.")
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Didn't the ancient Jewish historian, Josephus mention Christ in his writings? I'm sure I've read of Him in there. Are they going to say that Josephus' account doesn't count?


44 posted on 01/02/2006 5:09:57 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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In his Antiquities of the Jews at the end of the 1st century, Josephus, the Jewish historian, refers to Jesus as “a wise man, a doer of wonderful works” who “drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles”

Ooops! I missed this part of the article.

47 posted on 01/02/2006 5:11:42 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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Since Signor Cascioli is a person who once studied for the priesthood and then turned Atheist one has to wonder which of his prayers didnt get answered.

He shouldnt carry a grudge against Our Lord, but it seems most atheists do.


53 posted on 01/02/2006 5:22:26 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ

The name is so controversial. There seems to be a tendency to not speak his name. Only in church. That's bad.

I hope the day doesn't come when speaking his name will get you in trouble. The peacemaker was quite a radical.


54 posted on 01/02/2006 5:22:27 PM PST by cowtowney
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Bring in a picture of the Crab Nebula and a baby in the womb. That would do it for me.

Or say "I believe jesus christ existed. You prove he didn't."


56 posted on 01/02/2006 5:24:14 PM PST by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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When it comes down to it, the only 'proof' we have on any event that took place 2000 years ago are the written and oral accounts that have been handed down to us through many generations. Either we find those accounts to be credible and reliable or we don't.

The author has every right to write a book that propounds his theory. The priest has every right to denounce the book from his pulpit or his newsletter. The absurdity of a court jumping into this argument and demand that one party 'prove' their side is ... well, absurd.


57 posted on 01/02/2006 5:27:45 PM PST by CaptainMorgantown
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com did those stooopidos over there use a Bible to Swear In the Wittiness???
58 posted on 01/02/2006 5:29:01 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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This is easy. There are two consistent eyewitness accounts from Matthew and John. There are also two investigative reports from Mark and Luke, which corroborate the accounts from the eyewitnesses. Each account was written independently in separate times and places. They represent evidence that any reasonable court would admit is proof beyond any doubt.


61 posted on 01/02/2006 5:37:04 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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Except for eyewitness testimony from numerous sources, Jesus didn't exist.


63 posted on 01/02/2006 5:39:02 PM PST by Raycpa
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Prove Jesus existed? The 4 eyewitness accounts described in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ought to do it.


67 posted on 01/02/2006 5:51:55 PM PST by manwiththehands (My wish for the new year: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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Click this link, http://www.anti-religions.org/eng/processo.php, to read the lawsuit
68 posted on 01/02/2006 5:52:10 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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Although this nonsense brings a frown to my face, none of it really matters. Everyone dead and alive will know just who Jesus is when the second coming happens.

It's a shame people can be so self centered as to not take stock in their own frailty and whether or not there is an afterlife.

But one day we will all find out for ourselves and things like this court order will be proven to be an annoyance to us and evidence that Jesus will use to cleanse the earth of non believers.

Off my soapbox...

69 posted on 01/02/2006 5:52:18 PM PST by Tactical
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Why can't the priest just ask the judge to prove that Christ doesn't exist?


71 posted on 01/02/2006 5:56:02 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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