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To: mdmathis6
As for your question regarding post cross sacrifices, I think their prophetic foretold resumption could be excused if the priests asserted that Christ was that final sacrifice that makes all men clean.

I agree that ultimately that is paramount, and certainly will be the centerpiece of the Millennial sacrifices (Ezk. 40-48). Nor am I saying that a Christian should necessarily go sacrifice in the End-Time Temple--I'm not sure that we could without sending the wrong message regardless of whether it's theologically appropriate or not.

But they don't make that assertion, they instead stubbornly insist that Mount Sinai, where the Law was given to raise consciousness of sin, is the ultimate summit of man's spirituality and the sacrifices resume under that mindset.

The Torah has many purposes beyond that, but that's a whole separate argument. For my part, I make no distinction between the "moral" Torah (those parts which tell us how to "Love thy neighbor"--like not stealing, not committing adultery, forgiving other's debts, actively helping our enemies, etc.) and the "ceremonial" Torah (those parts which tell us how to love God, like keeping the Feastdays which lay out His entire prophetic plan, etc.).

For now, the big thing I'd like you to realize is that many Jews, even though they don't know Yeshua as the Messiah, still know that people can only be saved by God's grace, not by rigidly keeping the Torah. They certainly need to know their King, but we have to be careful about judging hearts with a broad stroke--or about portraying a Jesus that came to do away with the Torah (cf. Deu. 13:1-5, Mt. 5:17-19).

The apostle Paul proclaims in Hebrews, that Christians have come to Mount Zion, where God's grace and forgiveness rules, that the power of death and sin has no sway, and that his laws are written on our hearts of flesh by means of the Spirit instead of on tablets of stone that we try to follow on our own strength.

Yes. But if God's Torah is written on our hearts (as indeed Jer. 31:31-33 and Heb. 8 both state), does it cease to be the same Torah that He gave at Sinai and which He Himself said in the person of Yeshua would not pass away?

And by the way, Christ's priesthood was after the order of Melchizidec, not after the order of Levi!

Exactly. Which is why Jer. 33 presents such a problem, as you'll see when you look it up.

96 posted on 12/29/2005 6:18:14 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman

"The Torah has many purposes beyond that, but that's a whole separate argument. For my part, I make no distinction between the "moral" Torah (those parts which tell us how to "Love thy neighbor"--like not stealing, not committing adultery, forgiving other's debts, actively helping our enemies, etc.) and the "ceremonial" Torah (those parts which tell us how to love God, like keeping the Feastdays which lay out His entire prophetic plan, etc.). "

There was the Torah and then there was the Talmud which took root during the 400 silent years as a "protective fence or gait" around the Torah to keep it from being polluted by the paganism surrounding Israel...it became more like a veil that hid its light(the temple veil was rent in twain and so was the talmudic veil around then known scriptures on the day Christ died!).

Christ complained of the Talmudic injunctions that were strangling the light of the Torah..."you have lost the keys of knowledge and those listening to you are thrice more damned than your-selves" he said to the enraged clerics.


105 posted on 12/29/2005 7:43:48 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: Buggman

Talmud (TAHL-mud): The most significant collection of the Jewish oral tradition interpreting the Torah.


106 posted on 12/29/2005 7:49:20 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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