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To: Howlin
I agree with you...

I haven't lost any rights...

I don't like knee jerk reactions that automatically bottomline to the worse case scenario. From legal wiretaps the next stop is Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

This country has allowed terrorists to operate freely... now, we are beginning to listen in on their conversation in order to stop them from carrying out their terrorist activities.

Good for the President!

436 posted on 12/27/2005 10:16:32 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: carton253
I don't like knee jerk reactions that automatically bottomline to the worse case scenario. From legal wiretaps the next stop is Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

That swings both ways. Some in favor of wiretapping beyond the framework of FISA have asserted that without it, there will be a successful mass casualty event.

I hold the view that with or without wiretapping, no security system is perfect, and there will unfortunately be further successful attacks, whether the wiretaps are in place or not. And as with 9/11, both sides will make political hay with the event, and the people will willingly relinquish more freedom.

One might ask, do the present wiretapping activities go far enough? Why limit the surveillance to international calls? What if the order to "go" is contained in a purely domestic call? The current surveillance regime has no objection to the warrant requirement for that possibility, and therefore does LESS of it. Would warrantless surveillance of domestic activity have stopped the OKC bombing?

None of that is a value judgement, BTW. It's just an expression of "the way it is," as I see it, and a suggestion that the issue has a wide range of eventual resolutions.

449 posted on 12/28/2005 3:27:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: carton253; nopardons

I have yet to get an answer to the question "What rights have you lost?"

For some reason, nobody will answer that one.


462 posted on 12/28/2005 7:46:14 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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