Merry Christmas Madalyn Murray O’Hair (Wherever You Are)

Let me get this straight...you watch the news, you would probably be someone who describes yourself as in the know about current events, and yet you see no stories about ACLU and atheist persecution of one particular religion?

You are as dense as a block of lead, aren't you.

Point me to a single post where I denied that they were targeting Christianity specifically. You can't do it. In fact, I have stated several times that I agree that they are targeting Christianity.

As I have said repeatedly, but you have been completely incapable of comprehending, I am questioning the reasons why this is the case as proposed by the author of this article.

Yes, but you take up for someone who calls themselves "Wideminded" but admits but their "wide mind" cant agree with privacy rights. Also anybody who has watched even a moderate amount of news couldn't turn on a broadcast without seeing the piling on Christians and its imagery, somehow you have chosen your foxhole with someone who has a blind spot to the self evident. He was given the information, now it is up to him to do the research instead of having it spoon fed to him. This is the person you have chosen to be the "White Knight" for.

As for your points, and agreement about the persecution, your explanation is "because Christians are the biggest group". That doesn't make a lick of sense, especially considering the fact that Christians do not persecute atheists. They pray for them, that seems to be about it though. So the aggression is not warranted, unless there is something deeper there.

If you don't want to believe that most atheists actually believe in God, that is your perogative. A number of us who know many atheists, and see how obsessed they are with Christianity will take the other side. The great thing is that we get to find out absolutely when we die.

If I have ruffled you to the point where you feel the need to lower yourself to name calling, than you have my apologies. I personally believe the words in the Bible that the laws of God are written on mens hearts. That would certainly explain the unprovoked hate by atheists. If you want to believe that they just want to take down Americas biggest religion because of its sheer size, well, whatever gets you through the day.

The only reason you have me ruffled is because you have responded to my posts with absolutely no evidence that you understood them.

As for your points, and agreement about the persecution, your explanation is "because Christians are the biggest group". That doesn't make a lick of sense, especially considering the fact that Christians do not persecute atheists.

So what? Where did I say that atheists are justified in their aggression? But what I am saying is that if another religion were dominant in this country, those atheists would be going after them as well---again, whether "justified" by your definition or not.

So the aggression is not warranted, unless there is something deeper there.

Again, this is further proof you're reading more into our statements than is there. Nowhere did I say that their aggression is warranted, and my claims do not require it.

I don't happen to think that Christians are wrong in expecting our culture to remain sympathetic to, and reflective of, our beliefs. I happen to think that those in minority religions, including atheism, should simply recognize and accept the dominant culture around them; and as long as we're not forcing them to adopt our views, they should just deal with it. Instead, we have this new idea that people are oppressed simply because they're in the minority, which is a load of BS. In the name of separation of church and state (a false doctrine to begin with), we Christians ought to just shut the hell up and keep our faith private so that everyone else doesn't need to see it.

But you know what, that's happening in all sorts of arenas, not just the religious one. Our kids don't read the classics anymore, because that means they're not reading enough literature written by minorities, or gays, or women, or some other oppressed group. Nevermind the fact that the very definition of marriage assumes a man and a woman are involved; we're just going to have to change that because it doesn't respect the minority view that, well, you can marry whomever you want. Oh, and let's not praise the freedoms of this country too much, either, because that's offensive to people from other countries. How dare we expect people to learn English when they move here so they can properly assimilate into our economy; we have to print government materials in 10 different languages instead.

So it seems to me that the challenge is yours to establish that there is more going on than just this culture of minority offense.

Then we are going to have to agree to disagree. You interpret the actions of the loudest atheists in the media as an assault against Christians simply because it is the dominant religion. My reaction is that their actions betray there stated non-belief, and I would need proof of anything otherwise (seeing as public money used for other religions goes mostly unchallenged by atheists). I interpret this aggression towards Christians, along with obsession with Christianity that the atheists around me (one of whom has chosen upside down crosses as the motif for her home decor) as a hatred against something they believe very deeply in. We will both know for sure in about 50 years (assuming we are of the same age).

Sounds good, SunSetSam. Please don't misunderstand, I certainly agree that there are many atheists who do have a beef about Christianity in particular. Many of them are motivated by their experiences with flawed churches and flawed Christians. Heaven knows we do things to alientate people sometimes; not that this will be an excuse for them in the afterlife.

But if these same atheists lived in an Islamic country, it seems clear to me that their hatred would be redirected. Your atheist "friend", for example, might choose upside-down Islamic crescents for decor.

Of course, she would likely be beaten to death for such heresy, so maybe not.

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