Heresy...
I am trying to follow all this and I get lost. Heresy is error; is there error that is not heresy but still wrong? Is burning heretics heretical, or even wrong? Is selling indulgences? Are protestants wrong, heretical, both or neither? Does a profound heresy become no heresy at all if its explanation is "revised", implying accomodation? Is there wrong or error outside of heresy?
Not being sure where the lines are to begin with, they seem to be shifting as well. If so, is this man or God? I am lost in this debate.
"Not being sure where the lines are to begin with, they seem to be shifting as well. If so, is this man or God? I am lost in this debate."
I am both sorry and a bit surprised that you are lost in this debate as it is really remarkably simple compared to some of the things we speak about here.
Is it truly difficult to comprehend, MD, that there can be error without heresy? I rather thought my example of the dogmatic proclamation of the Assumption was, from an Orthodox stand point, a good one; certainly not heresy but perhaps an error to dogmatically proclaim it. As for burning heretics being wrong, well you'd have to ask a Russian or a Latin Catholic that one. Greeks weren't big on burning heretics. Can a profound heresy become no heresy at all? Sure, if the teaching is so changed that it comports with or at a minimum does not offend true dogma or otherwise what The Church always and everywhere believed. Filioque may be, in fact probably is, on its way to being just that. Monophysitism may well be more a problem about language than about belief in the nature of Christ.
Are Protestants wrong heretical or both? From an Orthodox standpoint that's easy, both; but I doubt that causes good Protestants to loose any sleep.
*If burned inside, it is wrong.
Is selling indulgences?
*Bishops collecting the money insist it isn't :)
Are protestants wrong, heretical, both or neither?
*Born into a heresy, their culpability is uncertain.
Does a profound heresy become no heresy at all if its explanation is "revised", implying accomodation?
*Nope.
Is there wrong or error outside of heresy?
*Sure. Imagine SCOTUS Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, naked on a pogo stick. Heretical? No. Wrong? Absolutely