This just came out. Aaron Klein is in Israeli Intelligence.
Posted on 12/25/2005 6:19:46 AM PST by Pikamax
For one I watched the movie (something that I think marks me as a tad bit different from quite a number who started to criticize the movie even before it came out without having seen an iota of celluloid or an opening credit). What I saw was a movie that was honestly quite balanced, and let me explain.
Point 1:
If an Israeli (or pro-Israeli person like me) watches the film, and LOOKS FOR SOMETHING TO GET ANGRY OVER, they will definitely find it. For example there is a scene where one of the characters (played by Banner) is having a tete-a-tete with a Palestinian 'freedon fighter' (read: terrorist), and the Palestinian guy starts 'explaining' why they fight and all that. That seems to be one of the several parts that the people claiming that the movie spouts moral equivalency between the Jews and the terrorists. There are some other parts similar to that one where the terrorists claim that the reason they kill is because of what the Israelis did/do to them, and one part actually has a little diatribe where this person states that people need to ask what must have been done to them (the Palestinians) to make them act like 'animals.'
Hence there are sections that some may oscillate towards and criticize.
Personally I have no problem with that! Why? Well, because even today the pointers that the various Palestinian/Arab characters were making are the SAME ONES being made by the Palestinian/Arab terrorists/apologists today. Go to any 'Arab street' anywhere in the ME and ask them why it is 'ok' for homicide bombers to kill innocents in a cafe or bus (or crash planes into buildings or bom embassies), and the average guy in the Islamic nation will say it is because of 'grievances and dehumanization' and all sorts of stupid jazz! Those are the stupid excuses used in the Arab street, even to this day, to justify the murder of innocents. Hence I am not offended if a movie includes the same statements from the people who make them.
If I watched a movie and saw a horse neigh I wouldn't complain that the sound shouldn't have been a neigh but instead a bleat or a moo or a miaow. In the same way if in the real world terrorists say stupid things, I will not go bananas if a movie has the terrorist characters saying the same inanity on celluloid.
Point 2:
If a terrorist (or terrorist sympathizer), or for that matter anyone who doesn't like Israel much (eg your average DUmmie) watches the film they will ALSO find many things that offend them. For example from the very beginning to the very end Spielberg shows what happened to the Jews. The horrors they have faced. And the bravery they show. The speeches by Golda Mier show her as a very brave woman with a lot of weight on her shoulders who is basically forced to defend her country (even though she is seen saying that she didn't want to take this route but now has no other recourse since the world seems willing to merely watch Jews get killed). The Israeli team is seen as always striving their best not to have any innocents killed (even going out of their way to ensure this). And the Israelis are shown as having amazing bravery ....goodness, even the Israeli athletes are shown as brave (for example when one could have escaped, and had made it to an open window, but then stopped, picked up a knife, and ran back to a building rife with armed terrorists to save his friends ....and in the end got killed). Anyone who doesn't like Israel will not like its portrayal in this film. Definitely. Moreover this film will not be getting any awards or recommendations from the PLO, Fatah movement, Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qassa, Al Queda, or whatever Islamic kook-group one wants to name. For every 'anti-Israel' facet there are probably 10 'anti Islamic terrorism' aspects in the movie.
Conclusion:
This is one of those movies where someone will see what they are looking for. Look for 'Hollyweird chastizing Israel and trying to spew forth globs of liberal propaganda' and that is EXACTLY what you will find. Look for 'Steven Spielberg, a Mossad-paid Zionist financed by the Zionist conspiracy to make a propaganda film that depicts the lions of Palestine as terrorists and murderers and shows the illegal zionist nation of Israel as legitimate' and THAT is exactly what you will see.
However, watch the movie with an objective mind, and knowing the history of what happened that day in September of 1972, and a far clearer picture will develop. One that doesn't have 'anti-Israel' nor 'Zionist conspiracies' (I always giggle at the whole 'zionist/mossad conspiracy' rants that DUmmies and pro-terrorists use ....it sounds like something from a cheap 1980s cartoon). And for a movie to make both sides claim it is supporting/apologziging for the other side then one has to wonder ....is it doing either? If I make something that has Paul going nuts saying that I am making a propaganda piece for Peter, and at the same time Pete is going bananas asserting that I am being an apologist for Paul, the question has to be asked if I am doing either.
The movie is slow at parts, and at others quite visceral. Overall though I did not see anything that would have me tearing out my hair. In fact I'd bet that a pro-terrorist/terrorist/DUmmie kook would probably hate the movie far more than anyone else.
Just my 0.02 based on my personal observations after watching the movie.
I've thought about it, and maybe it's not a good idea to pass any of my cash in Spielberg's direction on this piece of political trash.
The ulitimate in liberal philosophy-- there is no evil. Why couldn't you say targeted assassination was good, Steven? And could you likewise not say that murdering a bunch of athletes at the Olympics was bad?
Neville72, did you decide to see the film despite the reviews decrying it's moral equivalency, or did you not know about that?
Sheepish grin for that and other spelling faux pas.
Once again Spielberg lets his liberalism contaminate his work.
The history channel had a show about this a few nights ago.
Some ABC commentators referred to the terrorists as commandos.
If Spielberg was intellectually honest, he would also say, "...if this movie bothers you, frightens you, upsets you, maybe I SHOULDN'T ignore that. Maybe I need to think about why you're having that reaction."
It may be that the problem lies, not with the audience, but with the producer...
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I'm waiting for a film which I'm sure will come explaining why Adolf Hitler was so terribly misunderstood. After all he was rejected for admission to the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna, a blow to his self-esteem. Then he had to endure life in a flop-house, life in the WWI trenches, and then further humiliation by being jailed. Of course, he later caused quite a bit of upset, but that should be viewed in a broad context. Everything, absolutely everything, is relative, isn't it?
How about maybe you're doing both, and that's wrong.
Purposely didn't read anything about it as I wanted to decide for myself.
My blood's still boiling over Spielberg's moral cowardice though it's down a notch or two from yesterday because, well....it's Christmas morning.
Merry Christmas to all.
Planning to go see it tomorrow.
This is exactly the point. And one that you seem not to grasp. So since it is Christmas let me take the time to explain it to you.
If you take more than a milli-second to examine the muslim media you will not find them trying to understand the West or the Israelis or the Americans. You will find them denying the Holocaust and glorifying the suicide bombers. The muslim media are actively engaged in preparing their citizens for War. They are working as hard as they can to prepare their populations for a long, bloody, vicious conflict. A conflict to the death. A conflict featuring lots of nasty bloodshed and destruction.
In contrast, the media in the West is doing its best to equivocate on the nature of the enemy and, worse yet, on the need to fight them.
Think WWII for a moment. Or, better yet, think about the period before WWII. One side was preparing for War. The other side was working just as hard to avoid thinking about war. The result was a catastrophe for humanity. We are truly lucky to have recovered and won.
Humanity is now and always will be infested with brutal thugs of a most vicious nature. From time to time these insane madmen gain power over whole nations and peoples. When this happens, the rest of humanity has two choices: capitulate to the tyrants or beat them into submission. We are at that point now with the red/islamo-fascist alliance.
You can equivocate with idiots like Spielberg (who is safely ensconced in his Malibu mansion) or you can join the fight. In addition, you can try and persuade as many of your fellow citizens to join the fight as possible. This is where the true evil of that dimwit Spielberg is revealed. Spielberg and his ilk are confusing the citizenry about the threat at the very time they should be rallying them to the fight.
Get it?
"I guess what I'm trying to say is, if this movie bothers you, frightens you, upsets you, maybe it's not a good idea to ignore that. Maybe you need to think about why you're having that reaction."
O yee kneel down in front of the great Spielburg. We're not worthy of thou intellect!
This just came out. Aaron Klein is in Israeli Intelligence.
The morality of killing innocent Israel athletes is so complicated that Spielberg can't offer any simple answers??
I have a simple answer: It was immoral, wrong and evil to assassinate those athletes.
BTW, I doubt the terrorists had second thoughts about the morality of it. If they did, they never would have carried out the act.
Spielberg sugarcoats this act of terrorism.
What an absurd portrayal of a bunch of terrorists.
And what exactly are the "both sides" that are portrayed "fairly?"
Maybe I can sum up what those who are pissed about this "objective" and "showing both sides fairly and eqaully" move are thinking:
No rational, moral, or sane person would ever attempt to explain, rationalize or sympathize with the irrational, immoral and insane murder of innocent atheletes.
Spielberg is irrational, immoral and insane.
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