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SACKED AND I'M FUMING (Fired for smoking)
The Mirror ^ | 12/23/05 | Richard Smith

Posted on 12/23/2005 7:13:34 AM PST by Millee

SACKED smoker Sophie Blinman threatened to take her former employers to court yesterday, fuming: "I'm furious. Surely this is discrimination."

Stunned Sophie, 21, was given the boot 45 minutes after starting her new job even though she promised not to light up in office hours.

Her bosses declared: "It's positive discrimination and we're proud of it." Experts agreed the company was not breaking the law. But smokers' pressure group Forest said: "This is outrageous."

Sophie, who smokes five to 10 cigarettes a day, was delighted to land her £6-an-hour job as an administrator at Dataflow Communications.

She said: "I dressed smartly, arrived in good time and was about to be taken on a tour of the offices when I was asked if I smoked. When I said I did, I immediately sensed a problem.

"I explained I'd happily wait until my lunch break to smoke, and leave the premises to do so. But I was told the company didn't employ smokers and there was no longer a position for me.

"I can't believe a business is allowed to have a policy against employing smokers. I was never even asked at my interview if I smoked."

Threatening legal action, Sophie, of Shepton Mallet, Somerset, added: "This has left me angered and unemployed. I shall be seeking legal advice."

Dataflow, which employs 20 workers at its offices in Wells, advertises its non-smokers policy on its website.

Managing director Fran Edwards said: "All our employees have been recruited on this basis. We can't make an exception."

Information Services boss Ian Murray added: "We didn't ask Sophie at her interview if she was a smoker because we assumed the agency that sent her only asked non-smokers to apply."

Employment lawyer Frank Ryan said: "This is unusual, but it doesn't breach the law. Sophie won't qualify for unfair dismissal but she might challenge on the grounds of human rights."

Forest said: "Only smokers can be discriminated against without penalty."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fired; libertarians; pufflist; smoking; smokingandfuming; wodlist; workplace
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To: Centurion2000
And how exactly would you react to being fired for being a Republican?

I thought (rich) Republicans owned the businesses.

61 posted on 12/23/2005 8:05:31 AM PST by lewislynn (Fairtax= lies, hope, wishful thinking and conjecture.)
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To: HamiltonJay

In Kentucky, Smokers are a protected class. Smokers Anti-Discrimination Act...1994 or some where around that date.


62 posted on 12/23/2005 8:06:52 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: cgbg

Well you are going to have a hard time arguing a smoker... which is a person who has defined themselves by an activity they choose to engage in... is the equivalent to a person who is born with a certain color skin. Trying to is ludicrous and insulting.


63 posted on 12/23/2005 8:07:03 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Centurion2000

"And how exactly would you react to being fired for being a Republican?"

Well, when that happened to me, I started my own business (same competitive area), and drove the guy who fired me into bankruptcy in 15 months. Bought up his remaining assets at about five cents on the dollar. The REALLY good part was that his house got foreclosed on Christmas Eve. Ho, ho, ho, mother******! :)


64 posted on 12/23/2005 8:07:19 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: WKUHilltopper

Well then in Kentucky have to worry about it, but under federal law, they aren't.


65 posted on 12/23/2005 8:07:43 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: KC_Conspirator
Now if she were a lesbian providing sex acts during office hours, she would be promoted.

Well yes if she's a lipstick lesbian not a mullet lesbian. We have SOME standards.

66 posted on 12/23/2005 8:09:31 AM PST by lewislynn (Fairtax= lies, hope, wishful thinking and conjecture.)
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To: SheLion; Gabz

JMHO.
We smokers should start businesses and open resturaunts and bars that hire and cater to only smokers.

I know we'd be shut down in about five minutes, but it'd send a message.

Ping.

(I still think we should randomly spread tobacco seeds everywhere we can)


67 posted on 12/23/2005 8:09:54 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Go Gordon

No it's called freedom of association. Something that used to exist in this nation of states before federal regulation forced employers to accept anyone and anything against their will. The intent under the Constitution was not meant to apply to private companies but only a list of limitations of the national government


68 posted on 12/23/2005 8:10:35 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: HamiltonJay
You totally miss my point.

Personally I think a business should be able to hire whoever they choose without limitation.

But once the government abandoned that principle we now entered the realm of arbitrary decisionmaking as to who is part of a protected class and who is not.

Whatever arguments there may be for protecting one group vs another group is irrelevant because today the mob decides who is protected--and tomorrow you could become a new victim because of traits you either inherited or acquired.
69 posted on 12/23/2005 8:13:41 AM PST by cgbg (MSM and Democratic treason--fifty years and counting...)
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To: cgbg
If you compare the sick time and medical bills of people who have children of school age with those (of the same age) who do not it will be clear that parents take off more sick time than non parents because kids catch a lot of contagious diseases and pass them on to their parents.

Challenge.

In my business I would be laughed at for taking time off for something as simple as a cold.

In my experience, singles take far more sick days (aka "really bad hangover days") and personal days (aka "I just broke up with my boyfriend days") than parents do.

70 posted on 12/23/2005 8:15:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: HamiltonJay

Do you snow ski? Skydive? Race cars? Climb mountains? Oh, we can't have any employees with these lifestyle choices that affect health care costs! You're fired!


71 posted on 12/23/2005 8:17:22 AM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Would the company be able to fire or not hire persons who engage in anal sex?

No ... the 3% who are anal'ers are politically protected.
the 25% who smoke need to learn from that 3%.

72 posted on 12/23/2005 8:18:06 AM PST by bimbo
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To: SW6906

Oh well.. that's life. Get fired, get another job, or better yet, start your own company... hard to get fired, when you are the owner.


73 posted on 12/23/2005 8:19:19 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: xrp

Nope, I believe they have a right to not hire who they don't want to. And I have a right to hate them for their prejudice and secretly hope that a jury agrees with the lady and awards a huge penalty. See how that works?


74 posted on 12/23/2005 8:19:58 AM PST by mysterio
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To: daler
Or maybe she should've just lied.

It's hard to lie about smoking and get away with it.

75 posted on 12/23/2005 8:20:25 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Go Gordon
Whats the difference whether the descimination occurred during the interview, or after her hiring?

There's a big difference ... some people give up one perfectly secure position to be hired for another.

Do you believe that it's OK for an employer to maliciously uproot an individual simply because he/she smokes?

76 posted on 12/23/2005 8:23:45 AM PST by bimbo
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To: wideawake
"""why shouldn't you be able to fire people who engage in highly dangerous sexual behavior?"""

Not just dangerous sexual behavior, but any dangerous behavior.

No More:
skiing
Riding motorcycles
Using electric tools
etc...
77 posted on 12/23/2005 8:24:17 AM PST by commonerX (n)
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To: Millee
[ Her bosses declared: "It's positive discrimination and we're proud of it." Experts agreed the company was not breaking the law. But smokers' pressure group Forest said: "This is outrageous." ]

"Positive Discrimination" is "Affirmative Action" stated another way.. same thing.. very logical to those with Moonbats in their belfry.. Some lawyer(s) could make a name for himself attacking this.. for if one is wrong so is the other.. exactly the same mentality advocating both..

78 posted on 12/23/2005 8:26:06 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: billbears; xrp
Yes, it's freedom of association, but it's also a slippery slope if we allow discrimination for one thing but not for another. Who gets to decide what you can discriminate against and what you cannot? Therein lies the power. Where do you draw the line? First smoking, eventually snowskiing.

IMHO, a business should be "allowed" to hire and fire whomever they want - but the firing should only be "for cause" - that is, work-related reasons. If I choose to bugger badgers on the weekend and catch some exotic disease, that's my business - yes, even if the business is paying for my health care. Unless they make it a condition of my employment spelled out at the acceptance of the job offer that I cannot bugger badgers, then they have no right to fire me for doing that on my own time.

79 posted on 12/23/2005 8:28:49 AM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: HamiltonJay

We can't all be business owners - someone has to be the employees.


80 posted on 12/23/2005 8:29:33 AM PST by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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