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To: Jim Robinson; WatchYourself; seastay; DTogo; Stellar Dendrite; Czar; Reaganwuzthebest; ...
With all due respect Jim...

Well, both my wife and I are descendants of slaves then. My parents migrated out to California during the Great Depression. They worked at low paying menial jobs in miserable living conditions all their lives and, in fact, sometimes packed up the entire family to work in the fields while "Scarlet" looked on from her porch.

And my wife's grandparents immigrated from Finland around the turn of the century. The family worked the coal mines of Pennsylvania and later worked on farms in Michigan and California. They ended up homesteading a farm on land no one wanted near Reedley. Her father worked the ranches of the valley his entire life.

OK...do you or your wife consider yourselves citizens of the "Old Country" first? Did your ancestors refuse to assimilate? Do you still sent home your dollars to the "Old Country"? Do you assert that where you live is actually "property" of the "Old Country"? Do you speak the language, or did you refuse to learn English, then demand that all services be provided in your "Native" tongue? Do you or your ancestors stage protests to demand more from the very people you/they are defrauding?

Do you aid others from the "Old Country" to come here illegally, and commit fraud on the American people? Did you or they steal/make up ID's and forge work documents? Did they come here without a check on who they were, and what diseases they might be carrying? Did they protest at being checked out?

Now as for those jobs they took...the times were different. One could make a better life for themselves from their old one by the sweat of their brow...not off the backs of the American Taxpayer; we who actually make up the difference in what an illegal makes, verus the State/Local/Federal services they consume.

And as far as "Scarlett" sitting on the porch...I'm sure that your ancestors hoped and dreamed that one day they would be living like Scarlett. That IS the American Dream.

The railroads and Robber Barons/Cattle Barons have been replaced by construction/menial labor jobs...all with the nod and a wink from a Federal Gub'Mint that sees no problem selling Americans out for the promise of cheap illegal aliens and their futurte votes. Never mind the Social Security fiasco that says an immigrant needs only 10 Quarters to qualify (even if they used a phony/stolen S.S. ID)...while Americans need 40 Quarters.

So Jim...it is an entirely different situation we find ourselves in...we are being invaded and taken over with the complicity of our Gub'Mint in favor of one big trade zone from the Tropics to the Artic circle...and we Americans are NOT the beneficiaries of this "Zone", yet we are paying for the luxury of becoming second-class citizens in our home...at gunpoint.

45 posted on 12/23/2005 8:43:29 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Itzlzha
"...it is an entirely different situation we find ourselves in...we are being invaded and taken over with the complicity of our Gub'Mint in favor of one big trade zone from the Tropics to the Artic circle...and we Americans are NOT the beneficiaries of this "Zone", yet we are paying for the luxury of becoming second-class citizens in our home...at gunpoint."

Of all the points contained in your response, this one says it all.

If Washington believes their usual do-nothing cosmetics are going to satisfy us on illegal alien issues and border security, they are very wrong.

There is no good reason why American citizens should continue to put up with it. None at all.

49 posted on 12/23/2005 11:03:25 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Itzlzha

BTTT


50 posted on 12/23/2005 11:14:11 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Itzlzha
Post #45 - BTTT!

Everyone should read this post.

Immigration of days past can in no way be compared with the illegal alien invasion of today.

51 posted on 12/23/2005 11:57:48 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Itzlzha

Your posts are really great.

BTTT.


55 posted on 12/23/2005 1:04:19 PM PST by Nea Wood (A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. Proverbs 13:22)
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To: Itzlzha

Well said, valid points, and excellent observations.

BumPing.


70 posted on 12/29/2005 7:57:17 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Itzlzha
Re: Your Post #45.

Well said.

I think this article by Chris Adamo is so relevant that I have copied it and am FAXing a copy to my Representative.

In a continuing correspondence with him he has never committed himself one way or the other as to his stand on the *Guest Worker* program touted by Bush although he has said he supports more border security. Maybe this article (and others I have sent him) will finally get him off the fence.

77 posted on 12/29/2005 11:33:45 AM PST by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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