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Stones indicate earlier Christian link? (Possible Christians in China in 1st Century AD)
China Daily ^ | 12/22/05 | Wang Shanshan

Posted on 12/22/2005 6:01:19 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: Dustbunny

I'm not so sure, one thing that the Chicoms have figured out is not to interfere with anything that they can make money from. I think they are more likely to turn this into a tourist trap where they will sell cheap religious trinkets.


41 posted on 12/23/2005 7:38:53 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: adam_az

Wow.
Very clear. The Magi, Mary, Jesus, manger. One could even imagine the shepherd above Mary's head.
I wonder why it's not as obvious to the Chinese as it is to ANY Christian.

42 posted on 12/23/2005 7:54:31 AM PST by starfish923 ( Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: wagglebee

To the great dismay of the Multicultural Politically Correct crowd, ever growing evidence indicates that Europe was the source of cultures as far flung as China and the earliest migrations to the Americas.


43 posted on 12/23/2005 8:30:43 AM PST by pabianice (I guess)
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Benjamin of Tudela, a Spanish Jew, was even earlier than D'Ancona and Polo, but he didn't wander as far as China:
The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela:
Travels in the Middle Ages

by Benjamin of Tudela


The World of Benjamin of Tudela:
A Medieval Mediterranean Travelogue

by Sandra Benjamin


Past Perfect
On the Road to Paradise
Archaeology Odyssey

May/June 2000
(dead link)


The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela

Numerics Of Hebrews Worldwide Distribution Around 1170 Ad According To Binyamin Of Tudela
E. Spedicato
(via the Wayback Machine)

44 posted on 12/23/2005 10:21:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: wagglebee

About 5 years ago I read an article about the discovery of an ancient Nativity Scene found buried in the attic of a Bhuddist Temple. The article dated these statues to the 1st Century and linked them to St. Thomas's evangelical journeys begun after Christ's crucifixion and rising. I was astonished at this revelation.

The article said that great effort had been to purge any remnant of Christianity from this town -- and not in the recent Cultural Revolution. The effort to purge the town of traces of Christianity dated back 2000 years.


45 posted on 12/23/2005 10:32:51 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: wagglebee

As I remember, it was thought that the temple where the nativity scene was found (it might have bee an altar piece) was thought to have been a Christian Church as far back as the 1st century and then converted to another religion thousands of years ago.


46 posted on 12/23/2005 10:45:52 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
Here's another thread from the archives on that:

Romans in China?

Baffled peasants in a windswept village in Gansu province are being described by Chinese newspapers as blond-haired, blue-eyed descendants of Roman mercenaries who allegedly fought the Han Chinese 2,000 years ago. While no one in the modern town of Lou Zhuangzi is fair and there is no proof that the Romans ever set foot in Gansu before the Christian era, the reports have revived discussion over whether a group of Romans offered their services to the Hun warlord Jzh Jzh in 36 B.C. before settling in the Gansu village of Liqian, thought by some to be Lou Zhuangzi.

This idea was first proposed by Homer Hasenphlug Dubs, an Oxford University professor of Chinese history, who speculated in 1955 that some of the 10,000 Roman prisoners taken by the Parthians after the battle of Carrhae in southeastern Turkey in 53 B.C. made their way east to Uzbekistan to enlist with Jzh Jzh against the Han. Chinese accounts of the battle, in which Jzh Jzh was decapitated and his army defeated, note unusual military formations and the use of wooden fortifications foreign to the nomadic Huns. Dubs postulated that after the battle the Chinese employed the Roman mercenaries as border guards, settling them in Liqian, a short form of Alexandria used by the Chinese to denote Rome. While some Chinese scholars have been critical of Dubs' hypothesis, others went so far as to identify Lou Zhuangzi as the probable location of Liqian in the late 1980s.

Ten years later, still no academic papers have been published on the subject, and no archaeological investigation has been conducted in Lou Zhuangzi, but the media and local government remain unfazed. County officials, sensing potential tourist revenue, have erected a Doric pavilion in Lou Zhuangzi, while the county capital of Yongchang has decorated its main thoroughfare with enormous statues of a Roman soldier and a Roman woman flanking a Communist party official.

47 posted on 12/23/2005 10:47:21 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Tax-chick; Happygal; Colosis; blackbird149

It's true, Palladius is the real patron saint of Ireland!!

St. Pally's Day? Nah, doesn't work...


48 posted on 12/23/2005 10:54:23 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Fedora
Thanks.

"Baffled peasants in a windswept village in Gansu province are being described by Chinese newspapers as blond-haired, blue-eyed descendants of Roman mercenaries who allegedly fought the Han Chinese 2,000 years ago. While no one in the modern town of Lou Zhuangzi is fair and there is no proof that the Romans ever set foot in Gansu before the Christian era, the reports have revived discussion over whether a group of Romans offered their services to the Hun warlord Jzh Jzh in 36 B.C. before settling in the Gansu village of Liqian, thought by some to be Lou Zhuangzi."

One archaeologist I've read says that all Europeans have their origins in Gansu Province, China.

49 posted on 12/23/2005 10:59:44 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Is the archaeologist you're referring to the Mallory and Mair Tarim Mummies book?
50 posted on 12/23/2005 11:28:52 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
"Is the archaeologist you're referring to the Mallory and Mair Tarim Mummies book?"

It's in that book that they quote N. Narain, who believes this. Did you read that excellent book?

51 posted on 12/23/2005 11:33:34 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
I haven't read it yet--I've been meaning to after I finish digesting the Barber Mummies of Urumchi book, which I started but haven't finished--but when I was looking at an older post I saw you mentioned the Mallory and Mair book in relation to Gansu, which is why I was wondering if that was what you were referring to. Is this the same Narain?--looks like he's written some interesting stuff.

History of the Center for South Asia and South Asian Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison

South Asian studies lost an important scholarly force when Richard Robinson died unexpectedly from an accident in 1968. Despite this terrible loss, the Department of Indian Studies and the South Asian Area Center continued to grow as Steven Beyer, Tibetan Buddhism; Marc Galanter, Indian law; Muhammad Memon, Arabic and Persian language and literature; A.K. Narain, ancient Indian history and numismatics; John Richards, modern Indian history and kinship; and V. Narayana Rao, Telugu language and literature, joined the faculty in the early 1970s. . .Dr. A.K. Narain of the BHU faculty played a major part in establishing the program in Varanasi.

A.K. Narain, The Indo-Greeks

This is the fourth printing of The Indo-Greeks (the first three were published in 1957, 1962 and 1980). This revisit of the original 1957 text is supplemented by later contributions made by the author. It includes a chapter published in The Cambridge Ancient History, Vol. VIII and some articles which take into account the archaeological findings at Ai-Khanum and results of interactions between the Greeks and Indians. . .This book deals with the remarkable story of the Graeco-Bactrian and Graeco-Indian peoples who interacted, and gradually became integrated, with the peoples and cultures of India. Until this book, the advanced study of this remarkable episode in the ancient history of Asia had been confined to European scholars. Narain is the first Asian historian to produce a monograph on the subject. This work, which has been translated into Hindi and Chinese, is based mainly on the coins which are their most important historical records, the classical literary sources in Sanskrit and Pali, Greek, Latin and Chinese, epigraphic documents and material evidence from archaeological excavations. This book gives a detailed and a reasonably accurate account of the vicissitudes of the Indo-Greek kingdoms and clears up many misconceptions. The history of the Indo-Greeks is placed on a firm basis of chronology, and is seen against more than one background—the world of the heirs of Alexander in Western Asia, that of the successors of the Mauryas in India and the local elements in Bactria at the end of the Achaemenids.

The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia, edited by Dennis Sinor

This volume introduces the geographical setting of Central Asia and follows its history from the palaeolithic era to the rise of the Mongol empire in the thirteenth century. From earliest times Central Asia linked and separated the great sedentary civilisations of Europe and Asia. In the pre-modern period ‘Inner Asia’ was definable more as a cultural than a geographical entity, its frontiers shifting according to the changing balances of power. Written by distinguished international scholars who have pioneered the exploration of Central Asia’s poorly documented past, this volume discusses chronologically the varying historical achievements of the disparate population groups in the region. Contents

Preface; 1. Introduction: the concept of Inner Asia Denis Sinor; 2. The geographical setting Robert N. Taaffe; 3. Inner Asia at the dawn of history A. P. Okladnikov; 4. The Scythians and Sarmatians A. I. Melyukvoa; 5. The Hsiung-nu Ying-Shih Yu; 6. Indo-Europeans in Inner Asia A. K. Narain; 7. The Hun period Denis Sinor; 8. The Avars Samuel Szadeczky-Kardoss; 9. The peoples of the Russian forest belt Peter B. Golden; 10. The peoples of the south Russian steppes Peter B. Golden; 11. The establishment and dissolution of the Turk empire Denis Sinor; 12. The Uighars Colin Mackerras; 13. The Karakhanids and early Islam Peter B. Golden; 14. Early and medieval Tibet Helmut Hoffman; 15. The forest peoples of Manchuria: Kitans and Jurchens Herbert Franke; Bibliographies; Index. Contributors

Denis Sinor, Robert N. Taaffe, A. P. Okladnikov, A. I. Melyukova, Ying-Shih Yu, A. K. Narain, Samuel Szadeczky-Kardoss, Peter B. Golden, Colin Mackerras, Helmut Hoffman, Herbert Franke

A.K. Narain, The Date of the Historical Sakyamuni Buddha

This book The Date of the Historical Sakyamuni Buddha includes fifteen articles on the date of the historical Sakyamuni Buddha, ten of which submitted by Indian scholars to a workshop on the subject held in 1990, three by scholars from outside and two English translations of old French articles of importance. Many of these contributions take into account the papers submitted to a Conference on the subject held at Gottingen in 1988. The consensus of the articles in this book is in favour of confirming 483 (486) B.C. as the date of the Parinirvana of the historical Buddha as against any later date.

52 posted on 12/23/2005 11:58:57 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thanks!


53 posted on 12/23/2005 4:22:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: feedback doctor

I have a web address that says the same about the characters....
www.wbschool.org/chinesecharacters.htm

in Him, Merry Christmas


54 posted on 12/24/2005 6:00:06 AM PST by jacobsohns
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