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To: RobRoy

Your belief on this is religious, which is fine, and most of us are happily eating loads of animals. But I don't agree with your belief that animals are sort of machines or teddy bears, both of which are man made. And in terms of awareness, your average farm animal may not be especially keen, but I do not want to test my awareness of surroundings against a grizzly bear, lion, etc that has decided to hunt me.


77 posted on 12/22/2005 11:30:57 AM PST by Williams
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To: Williams

“Your belief on this is religious, which is fine, and most of us are happily eating loads of animals. But I don't agree with your belief that animals are sort of machines or teddy bears, both of which are man made. And in terms of awareness, your average farm animal may not be especially keen, but I do not want to test my awareness of surroundings against a grizzly bear, lion, etc that has decided to hunt me.”

Those latter machines have attachments that are actually better than some that come as standard equipment on human machines, which is what we all occupy. But your human machine has a superior CPU which gives it the ability to create it’s own superior attachments – like clubs, guns and F15s.

Thing is, I see the human machine as something you occupy, as opposed to who you are. It is like a shell or, as the Bible calls it, a “tent” you occupy which was specifically designed by its Creator to function quite nicely in the environment for which it was intended. And yes, part of that machine which is not you, but only something you occupy, is its brain. The brain is not the spirit. It is not the place from which consciousness comes. It is merely your machines CPU. “You” are spiritual, and come from a place outside our physical world.

At least this is an as yet still forming opinion.


95 posted on 12/22/2005 11:46:01 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Williams
Your belief on this is religious, which is fine, and most of us are happily eating loads of animals. But I don't agree with your belief that animals are sort of machines or teddy bears, both of which are man made. And in terms of awareness, your average farm animal may not be especially keen, but I do not want to test my awareness of surroundings against a grizzly bear, lion, etc that has decided to hunt me.

Yeah, animals to me at least, I always believed they have souls or spirits. I do believe they are self aware, maybe not to an extent we are but there is something there. I've become more religious in recent years and getting closet to God and Jesus myself, but I've always felt and known that life in all forms is energy and that energy takes form in some sort of conscious form such as a soul or spirit. I don't really subscribe to the belief that animals can be reincarnated human souls as the Buddhists or Hindus do but I just like to say that all forms of life is energy and do have souls and/or spirits.
163 posted on 12/22/2005 7:53:07 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Imhotep! Imhotep! IMMMM-HOOOO-TEPP!!!")
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