LEOs also show up at gun shows and go out in the parking lot, write down license numbers and do a check. The highway patrol sets up DUI checkpoints and preforms a warrant less inspection of your current state of inebriation.
It is without a doubt that the Patriot act allows some loss of civil liberties. Since it may prevent us from dying at the hands of Islamo-Fascists, it also allows us to talk another day about what to do with any abuses found. Like the AW ban, what goes up, can come down. I vote we get through the present crisis and argue another day.
No one has yet proved to me the threat from Islamo-Fascists has gone away -- And with Iran getting nukes, saying their goal is to annihilate the US and Israel, I can argue the threat has increased.
"The ATF just get to rummage through the gun store files and the background check files then go get a warrant if they something they like. A distinction without a difference."
Having been a firearms dealer and worked for a major firearms manufacturer, I can say that the BATF never does that. It is against the law. We were well schooled in that fact since the BATF is known to try to pull that kind of illegal activity and we knew how to address it and how to get charges filed against any agent that tried it.
"LEOs also show up at gun shows and go out in the parking lot, write down license numbers and do a check. The highway patrol sets up DUI checkpoints and preforms a warrant less inspection of your current state of inebriation."
This is different than rummaging through a gun stores files... a sobriety checkpoint is on public property. As for gunshows, it depends on the venue. But the thing is this... the license plates are on public display on a vehicle. Again, very different than the 4473 files in a gun store.
Mike
Get throught the present crisis, you say?
Bush says that it will be years after he is out of office before this crisis is resolved, if then.
How long are you willing to wait to have your liberty restored? I'm too old to give it up, let alone wait to get it back.