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To: Carry_Okie
They were especially happy to know that I was calling from California.

Well goodie, because this Californian opposes what the four did, starting with Chuck Hagel. Whenever his name is attached to something I am instantly suspicious. He could tell me the sun rose in the east this morning, and I would still check with an independent source.

I respect Craig and want to believe he did what he thought was right. However, the way Congress works, it's also possible he was holding his vote out for some piece of pork he wanted for his state and didn't get it. So he writes a rationale for his vote knowing he has to tell his constituents something. Who the heck knows what the truth is without reading the full details of the bill, and few of us do. He pushes a few hot buttons he knows will resonate with the right, gets the desired result and calls it a year.

In the meantime, thanks to the tools available to law enforcement in the Patriot Act, some Asian men were arrested earlier this year in Torrance near where I live, and they were indicted for trying to bring missiles into the country to sell to the higest bidder. Charming.

While I cherish civil liberties as much as the next American, I also cherish life and limb. So what I want to know is, did what Craig and the others do leave us more vulnerable to the machinations of nefarious individuals? I doubt very seriously that Craig, Hagel and the others would give me an honest answer.

53 posted on 12/20/2005 4:01:01 PM PST by Wolfstar ("In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat." Mark Steyn)
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To: Wolfstar
Well goodie, because this Californian opposes what the four did, starting with Chuck Hagel. Whenever his name is attached to something I am instantly suspicious.

Indeed, Hagel is an ambitious sleaze.

However, the way Congress works, it's also possible he was holding his vote out for some piece of pork he wanted for his state and didn't get it.

Unless you can establish that, your suspicions are no grounds for giving the Federal government access to gun purchase records. Hillary would download the entire file for de-facto national gun registration.

Who the heck knows what the truth is without reading the full details of the bill, and few of us do.

Craig makes the citations for you. Go look if you're so damned credulous.

He pushes a few hot buttons he knows will resonate with the right, gets the desired result and calls it a year.

Did I give blanket approval to Larry Craig?

In the meantime, thanks to the tools available to law enforcement in the Patriot Act, some Asian men were arrested earlier this year in Torrance near where I live, and they were indicted for trying to bring missiles into the country to sell to the higest bidder.

Did I say the entire Act needed to be tossed? Go find a strawman elsewhere.

While I cherish civil liberties as much as the next American, I also cherish life and limb.

So do I, which is why I cherish the Second Amendment.

56 posted on 12/20/2005 5:58:19 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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