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To: r9etb; Casloy
Comparing the fall of Rome to an modern nation state is pointless.

That's preposterous.

Casloy is absolutely spot on. History does NOT repeat. For example, Rome never abolished Slavery, we did. Rome did not have virtually instantaneous communications, we do. Rome did not know much about any of the societies beyond the Med and Europe. We do. To compare the two societies is hysterically stupid. There are "no lessons of history" ok? That is just babble from those who want to use history to rationalize their stupid political opinions.

38 posted on 12/20/2005 8:28:03 AM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: MNJohnnie
History does NOT repeat.

Never claimed it did. However, you'd have to be willfully blind not to be able to spot strong similarities, especially as they pertain to the fates of dominant cultures.

To compare the two societies is hysterically stupid. There are "no lessons of history" ok?

You should be careful about tossing out phrases like "hysterically stupid," lest you be tarred by the same brush. If you have truly learned nothing from history, one might legitimately conclude that you'd not only fallen afoul of the brush, but had perhaps willingly bathed in the tarpit.

That is just babble from those who want to use history to rationalize their stupid political opinions.

And yet, amazingly despite your claims to the contrary, we can spot the same human and societal failings, time after time, throughout history, and we can see them have similar effects, time after time. That's one big reason why the Bible still resonates with us today: because people and societies really haven't changed all that much.

And, of course, we must not forget that our own Constitution was not simply invented -- no, it was written by men who very deliberately studied and used historical lessons in the formation of it. Should I learn from you, or the Founders?

43 posted on 12/20/2005 8:43:13 AM PST by r9etb
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To: MNJohnnie; Noumenon
To compare the two societies is hysterically stupid. There are "no lessons of history" ok? That is just babble from those who want to use history to rationalize their stupid political opinions.

This is simply too profound!

51 posted on 12/20/2005 9:23:25 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: MNJohnnie
There are "no lessons of history" ok?

I don't think I would go that far. I think you can use history to demonstrate many truths about liberty and the desire of man to determine his own destiny. What I don't think you can do is take specific cases, such as the fall of Rome, and compare situations with modern times.

55 posted on 12/20/2005 9:48:29 AM PST by Casloy
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