Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[Baraonda]

"The question is whether the origin of life is part of the subject of evolution, and the answer is and always has been, no."

Exactly my point.

God is the originator of all life, but some believe that evolution explains the origins of life, which it doesn't. Evolution is a dogma.

[darbymcgill]

In your post 1318 you named me as Creationist.

In my post 1339 I asked you for evidence that I have ever posted in support of the Creationist argument. For well over 24 hours you refused to meet my challenge.

In your post 1532 you made the following statement:

but then I noticed it on a thread I had up because I was documenting your own "behind the back" posts (see above), and lo and behold, there it was.

I will take you at your word for the reason your were reading my back posts. But by your own logic, your "bluster" tells us otherwise, doesn't it. It appears that you've read posts of mine as far back as May, as I indicated earlier. Even if you were looking for posts by me behind someone's back, I doubt you would have missed the ones where I posted support for the Creationist argument.

In your post 1751 you gave us this pearl:

you're still playing coy, I *don't* understand. Why not just be an adult for a change, instead of continuing to play your childish taunt/evade/taunt/evade games? Hey, here's my research, bucko -- I'm *asking* you.

This is the logically fallacy of suppressed evidence. You clearly knew that I had not made the posts you were sent to find, but you purposely tried to mislead the readers to the benefit of your agrument. One of the most shameless techniques you've invoked so far. How often do you make these "honest mistakes" in your research papers and other posts to these threads?

You've made numerous comments in your diatribes to me about "being an adult", "a role model to my children", etc.

Well now is the time for you to prove you are more than simply a troll. Step up to the plate and practice what you preach. Admit error, make an apology, and be the man you want to be and challenge others to be. Be the true role model and justify the respect you command from those who hang on your every word. Otherwise you'll be just one of those names you called me many times in an effort to discredit me instead of my arguments.

[Dimensio]

I don't see anyone agreeing with you on that point. In fact, most of us are still waiting for you to point out what is speculative about it.

It appears as though he is dishonestly redefining evolution and then using the fact that we disagree with his dishonestly redefined strawman that he calls evolution (which bears no resemblance to the actual theory of evolution) as "proof" that we "agree" on his point about evolution being speculation and pseudo science.

Yes, he's being transparently dishonest, engaging in childish lies that anyone can see through, but really, do creationists ever have anything better?

[Dimensio]

Evolution is a dogma.

How is evolution dogma? Or are you just going to dance around the claim without actually providing any evidence for it, just like you've been doing all along?

[Baraonda]

"Well you make this claim:"

Humans and monkeys share common ancestry.

There you go! I knew I had read it someplace. I'm sure it has been asserted more than once. But because these threads are long ones, they (the evolutionists) hope that we won't be able to find their quotes.

Thanks, RunningWolf.

Eureka!!

[RunningWolf]

When you have not really ever said anything of substance, then any comment to or about it can be termed a lie in your very little tiny demented world.

Wolf

[Dimensio]

There you go! I knew I had read it someplace.

Yeah, all the way back in post #1,789. Don't tell me that you had difficulty finding it.

But because these threads are long ones, they (the evolutionists) hope that we won't be able to find their quotes.

Why would I care if you found a quote that I had posted about fifteen minutes ago? I stand by it. There's nothing wrong with it. Do you have an actual point to make, or are you just blathering on and on because you're too much of a coward to admit that you don't have a rational argument?

[js1138]

is the originator of all life, but some believe that evolution explains the origins of life...

No one but a creationist would make suce an ignorant statement.

[RunningWolf]

You have really beat them when they ignore you, but they talk about you in other posts.. LOL!!

Wolf

[Dimensio]

No one but a creationist would make suce an ignorant statement.

Baraonda has had the situation explained so many times now that it is not a matter of "ignorance". Baraonda is simply dishonest, yet another shameless liar who thinks that spreading falsehoods gives him the moral high ground.

[Baraonda]

"I don't see anyone agreeing with you on that point."

Take ten issues related to evolution. We all agree on 9 out of the 10 issues regarding whether evolution is or is not pseudo science. One issue doesn't make evolution true.

One must learn to agree on disagreeing on trivial, petty and irrelevant issues.

[js1138]

Lying seems to be the order of the day for the so-called Christian.

[Dimensio]

We all agree on 9 out of the 10 issues regarding whether evolution is or is not pseudo science.

"Evolution explains the origins of life" is not an "issue regarding whether evolution is or is not pseudo science", it is simply a false statement. Lying about what evolution is won't make your argument any more valid.

[Baraonda]

"No, we weren't, you shameless liar."

"Why do you lie so much?"

"It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" - Adlai Stevenson.

[Dimensio]

"It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness" - Adlai Stevenson.

What's the point of lighting a candle when you just blow it out by repeating another of your lies?

For that matter, why do you keep lying about evolution?

[js1138]

Incidentally, if you have something to say to me, like, "Who calls me Christian?" say it on the thread. I do not do freepmail with people for whom I have no respect.

[darbymcgill]

Lying seems to be the order of the day for the so-called Christian.

Would your characterization apply only to Christians?

[js1138]

My characterization applies to anyone who has had false statements corrected manyimes and continues to repeat them.

The field of biology that deals with evolution has never addressed the origin of life.

I would guess the majority of biologists personally believe that the origin of life is a natural process. Even ID ID advocates like Denton accept this.

But it isn't evolution.

[Quark2005]

Take ten issues related to evolution.

Start with one. If the common ancestry of apes and humans is nonexistent, how does one explain the presence of the twenty or so discovered intermediate steps in the fossil record connecting apes and humans to a common ancestor, the sequencing commonalities between ape and human DNA, the fact that junk DNA mutation accumulations in common genes show a divergence in mutation rates between chimps and humans consistent in time with that interpolated from the fossil record, and the fact that fossil hominids demonstrating have been traced to the region of the world (namely Africa) inherent from the biogeographical distribution of modern day ape species?

I'd certainly love to hear a competing theory with testable implications that links all these disparate pieces of data, or a piece of data that falsifies the theory of common origin between apes and humans. Shoot.

[Baraonda]

"Why would I care if you found a quote that I had posted about fifteen minutes ago?"

I wasn't the one who found it - RunningWolf did.

The quote, btw is here

"I stand by it."

But you said #1789 that you do NOT know of anyone who accepts that humans originated from monkeys.

Here is that exchange in #1789:

Me: "Do you believe humans originated from monkeys?"

You: "No, and I am not aware of anyone who accepts evolution who does."

Often the accuser of a lie is the originator of it.