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To: Tuxedo
When I was in school, we were taught Creation and evolution as theories (along with Big Bang).

Evolution, specifically the common ancestry of primates such as humans and chimps has been proved beyond any reasonable doubt by identical ERV virus sequences found in several species. These demonstrate that a specific individual was infected with a faulty ERV virus DNA sequence millions of years ago that was spread to the entire species which then evolved into other species. Several thousand of these sequences have been found in the last few years, and since these viruses very rarely end up being inherited, and are inserted randomly into each cell's DNA strands during normal infections, such identical insertions in two separate species is against any reasonable odds.

You're correct that the Torah contains Genesis verses as well, but most Jews aren't taught that these are literally true, as Christian fundamentalists are.

By the way. A scientific "theory" does not mean "guess", as you have used above. A scientific "theory" is the end game in science, it doesn't get any higher than that. Theories do not become facts when they become more accepted, they are supported by facts. Scientific theories describe how things operate, and can be used to predict what will be found. They can, however, be falsified, if the predictions are invalid, and evolution has never been falsified in the 150 years that various religious groups have tried to do so.

Evolution theory (how evolution, the "fact", occurs) is quite a bit more well understood than gravity theory (how gravity, the "fact", occurs).

108 posted on 12/15/2005 8:17:41 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

I don't wish to hijack the thread when here are plenty of Creation/ID/Evolution threads available for discussion. Most Orthodox Jews reject strict evolutionary theory - in particular the very beginning of things (big bang vs. Genesis 1:1-2). As a scientist by profession, I reject a great deal of evolutionist theory - only because far too many pieces are missing. Creation support requires faith and belief in what cannot be scientifically proven by humans, which are lesser beings than God. We know only that which we are permitted to find out. And our adversary clearly has the power to distort us by placing at our disposal false images - which leads to false teachings, skepticism, and falling away from that which is Truth.... the goal of the adversary achieved. Furthermore, as a scientist, I agree with some variants of evolutionary theory but I pass these off as forced adaptations - due to climate changes, environmental changes, what have you as we migrated across the continents. That whole common ancestry thing is bunk in that we have yet to find evidence of the actual being. But, believe what you will. I maintain that the ADL is not using this as any means to say what the article says. It is more of a defensive reaction to Christians defending Christmas, the Narnia movie, and perhaps the Passion movie as well. The ADL often looks at the right wing of the country and ignores the Islamic cultists who openly preach Israel's destruction and the genocide of all Jews.


120 posted on 12/15/2005 8:33:57 PM PST by Tuxedo (Merry Christmas!)
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To: narby
IMO the problem is that Darwin's book is called Origin of the Species. His theory is replete with species building on similar species, but does NOT address the origin of the these species.

It is Volume 2, and cannot stand alone. Needed is Volume 1, with NDA advances, is what all the hubbub is about. There's a debate and students should participate.

128 posted on 12/15/2005 9:02:29 PM PST by duckln
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To: narby

A scientific "theory" is the end game in science, it doesn't get any higher than that.

Sure it can. There is a step above theory. Its a scientific law. Thats why you have Newton's three laws of motion. They are not theory, they are indisputable. Scientific theories can be fairly iron clad, but not necessarily irrefutable. That is why they are called Theories.


219 posted on 12/17/2005 9:42:40 PM PST by old republic
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