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To: ThisLittleLightofMine; RogueIsland; Aquinasfan
"I used to believe "evolution" to be a "scientific fact" until I looked into it myself," Aquinasfan.

"Missed that whole "Theory" part in "Theory of Evolution", eh?" RogueIsland.

"Actually I believe that is evolutionists that have missed that point, in addition to school scientist professors," ThisLittleLightofMine.

O.K. Maybe we can all agree that Evolution is a theory; it is not a fact. Deal?
346 posted on 12/12/2005 4:57:59 PM PST by ChessExpert (Democrats: Sore/Losermen 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012)
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To: ChessExpert
Maybe we can all agree that Evolution is a theory; it is not a fact. Deal?

It's an issue with language and multiple meanings. There is a process called "evolution" that occurs when alelle frequencies change over time. That is fact. There is also an explanation for the diversity of all existing life as originating from common ancestry; that is the "theory" of evolution.

With regards to the latter, do you know what "theory" means in the context of science?
348 posted on 12/12/2005 5:00:23 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ChessExpert
Evolution as Fact and Theory by Stephen Jay Gould.
350 posted on 12/12/2005 5:01:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: ChessExpert
O.K. Maybe we can all agree that Evolution is a theory; it is not a fact. Deal?

Sorry, but even the scientifically competent among the ID crowd agree that evolution is a historic fact. Michael Denton, author of "Evolution, a Theory in Crisis, has written a new book, "Nature's Destiny," on intelligent Design. In it he says this:

"it is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes.

This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special creationist school". According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law.

Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies."

Behe, the chief defense witness at Dover, has this to say about evolution:

I didn't intend to "dismiss" the fossil record--how could I "dismiss" it? In fact I mention it mostly to say that it can't tell us whether or not biochemical systems evolved by a Darwinian mechanism. My book concentrates entirely on Darwin's mechanism, and simply takes for granted common descent.

354 posted on 12/12/2005 5:16:25 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ChessExpert
O.K. Maybe we can all agree that Evolution is a theory; it is not a fact. Deal?

Little "e" evolution is a scientific fact, per the definition of a scientific fact (as opposed to the vulgar). It is observable and repeatable, and subject to revision or discard as the tools of observation improve. The "Theory of Evolution" is a scientific theory, in which the scientific fact of evolution plays a central mechanistic role.

I usually must assume that the Creationists/IDers on these threads are conflating evolution withthe Theory of Evolution when they address these themselves to the topic, because I have yet to find one who deos not accept what they call "microevolution" -- therefore, when they profess skepticism regarding "evolution", I presume they are in fact referring to the Theory of Evolution, and frame my response within that context.

402 posted on 12/12/2005 6:35:59 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: ChessExpert
"O.K. Maybe we can all agree that Evolution is a theory; it is not a fact. Deal?"

No deal. Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution is a theory.

408 posted on 12/12/2005 6:47:22 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: ChessExpert
O.K. Maybe we can all agree that Evolution is a theory; it is not a fact. Deal?

Works for me. In fact, my theory is that we know precious little regarding the origins of life, and human life in particular.

475 posted on 12/13/2005 5:37:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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