There are 100 billion neurons in the human brain. There are 100 billion stars in the Milky Way. One star per neuron. 25 thousand neurons can fly the F-22, one of the most complex, awesome machines we have ever created. The F-22 is an illusion, a division of reality, not natural--something imagined and only a function of a few neurons: a pattern with its own laws. There are no laws, no patterns in nature. Laws and patterns are only the workings of our ergodic imaginings. The ergod is the tao--a word, but not the word.
The "Tao" is a grumpy person whineing about whineing..
There are no laws, no patterns in nature.
I run into the same kind of problem with those who view reality as their own consciousness and everything else as merely an illusion - i.e. no common ground, no language to discuss nature or spirit.