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To: Alamo-Girl; Virginia-American; betty boop; cornelis
#930... Interesting (serious) discussion on "revelation".. You are a brave warrior, my dear.. I'll do a little recon myself.. and maybe bit of snipe'ing..

My experience on spiritual revelation is varied.. Sometimes it can be as simple as an intellectual breakthrough or as mind boggling as an epiphany or even a vision.. I see a vision as a vision.. ugh!.. more than mere a clearing of thoughts or the fog that clouds my idea about some thing.. But a "seeing" on a grand scope, a vision of "something" far greater than you were in the market for, since didn't even know that a "sight" like that Could exist..

Amazing (once you get used to it) that a human mind could be transported to another place "not on your own".. "not on purpose". Other than that it could be scary.. I would say revelation is progessive.. Some revelation needs other relevation as foundation.. Because without a proper foundation the revealment of the revelation would not be emergent.. Inspiritation is only revelation if it is spiritual..

Discovery of awareness and what awareness is, might be an epiphany but its not a vision.. as I see it so far.. For awareness is a synonym for gratitude.. Seems like the more aware you are the more gratitude overflows your cup.. The less gratitude you are filled with the more awareness you are in need of.. And where gratitude is King, a loveing faithful sacrificial attitude is Queen..

A revelation of what a proper family is, is indeed a "vision"..

939 posted on 12/11/2005 8:08:37 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Thank you so much for sharing your discernments concerning the difference between Spiritual revelation, awareness, epiphany and vision.

Indeed, there is quite a difference between them --- and Spiritual revelation is progressive as you say. Even Paul who had an astonishing Spiritual revelation, didn't get it all at once. And he did not first confer with flesh and blood. (emphasis mine)

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. - Galatians 1:15-19

Christian Spiritual revelation begins with "Jesus Christ is Lord". Further Spiritual revelations build on that foundation.

IMHO, some people confuse reasoning with revelation. That leads to pointless traditions and doctrines of men which Christ warned us about:

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7:7


946 posted on 12/11/2005 9:20:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
Amazing (once you get used to it) that a human mind could be transported to another place "not on your own".. "not on purpose". Other than that it could be scary.. I would say revelation is progessive.. Some revelation needs other relevation as foundation.. Because without a proper foundation the revealment of the revelation would not be emergent.. Inspiritation is only revelation if it is spiritual..

Personally, I don't know if this is something that one can ever quite "get used to." :^)

Thank you, dear hosepipe, for your magnificent testimony and witness.

949 posted on 12/11/2005 9:33:34 AM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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