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To: Alamo-Girl
There is neither form nor autonomy in the void. There is only existence, and (because there is no autonomy in the void) - only the single existence, which can only be God. We know there must be existence because there was a first cause that was not caused. Thus we know God is transcendent.

He is also immanent, because there is in the void nothing of which anything can be made other than His own existence, or will.

Bertrand Russell, who loved mathematics dearly, once said that "mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we're talking about, nor whether what we're saying is true." Replacing the word 'mathematics' by the word 'metaphysics' in Russell's statement also makes some sense, I regret to say. And let's not forget F. H. Bradley's famous aphorism: "Metaphysics is the finding of bad reasons for what we believe on instinct...." I'll leave it to you to find the rest of the quote...you'll like it.

Best regards, as always...

650 posted on 12/08/2005 11:27:05 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored; Alamo-Girl
An old joke:

Mathematics is the cheapest of the sciences - all you need is paper, a pencil, and a wastebasket.

Philosophy is even cheaper, as you don't require the wastebasket.

651 posted on 12/08/2005 11:33:36 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: snarks_when_bored; betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for all your insights, those quotes and your kind words! It has been a pleasure!

We began with a scientific image of the world that was held by many in opposition to a religious view built upon unverifiable beliefs and intuitions about the ultimate nature of things. But we have found that at the roots of the scientific image of the world lies a mathematical foundation that is itself ultimately religious. All our surest statements about the nature of the world are mathematical statements, yet we do not know what mathematics "is" ... and so we find that we have adapted a religion strikingly similar to many traditional faiths. Change "mathematics" to "God" and little else might seem to change. The problem of human contact with some spiritual realm, of timelessness, of our inability to capture all with language and symbol -- all have their counterparts in the quest for the nature of Platonic mathematics. - Barrow, Pi in the Sky


681 posted on 12/09/2005 8:12:17 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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