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To: Quark2005
" QM (Bell's inequality, etc.) only shows that random processes have no localized, physically measurable cause. It says nothing about globally hidden variables. (Then again, this starts getting us into the realm of the metaphysical and unmeasurable.)"

All processes are random. With such phenomenon as EPR, all such system states began in causal contact. The spacelike "comm" between the 2 particles is simply due to phase shifts in an existing field. No energy exchange is necessary, because that was done when the field was established. The field and it's properties are the cause. I see local as defined by the boundary of the system, in these cases of spacelike separation of bound particles. That's, because the state isn't a function of distance, only E.

1,000 posted on 12/15/2005 11:31:24 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
All processes are random.

As far as any physical ability to measure goes, yes. Might there be a globally hidden collusion between different points in the field though? QM doesn't rule that possibility out, but then again, we're talking about something that is inherently unmeasurable, though. I realize, though, that if there any non-randomness inherent at the core of processes, such causality is unmeasurable and hence non-physical. (The possibilty of globally hidden variables seems to run analogous to the possibility of a supernatural intelligent designer - no real scientific possibility of finding either one. Hypothetical causal agents that leave no empirical signature lie outside the scope of the scientific method. )

I agree with your post 1000 entirely, though. I was simply doing some speculative musing.

1,001 posted on 12/15/2005 11:50:48 AM PST by Quark2005 (No time to play. One post per day.)
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