Posted on 12/07/2005 3:31:28 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
"Before Abraham was, I AM"
Sigh. She did so much to get the DoD into high-end computing... :-)
One thing's for certain. We'll all either blink off into oblivion or wake up face to face with God. We'll just have to see.
Thank You.. You didn't have to include this, in this way..
Us, paleo-science types appreciate it.. if there are more than ONE of us.. LoL..
Wonder what "speed" God transverses this Universe at.. Wonder if spiritually "speed" is an obsolete concept.. Just a thought.. In that case time might not be variable but speed may be.. Really Photons are Sooo slow.. too slow.. To maintain this Universe efficiently a much faster mode of transportation would be needed, much faster than light speed.. Human bodies couldn't do it.. I know I know.. I'm dreamin again.. I do that..
But I'm not kidding, mostly..
Thanks for the reply. However, I already knew these things. But the refresher is appreciated.
Excuse me for confusing empiricism with science.
Your argument makes alot of sense. so long as God's view of justice is the same as yours. however, your view is not the view presented by the Scriptures nor especially by the teachings of Christ. if it's all a fable (like all the virgins for the suicide bombers), then you're good. if it's not a fable and no sin (no matter how small or finite) can be in the presence of the living God, then you're in trouble. the real issue is what is the truth and, as the writer of the article which started this whole discussion stated: the unpalatability of a proposition has no bearing on its truth.
"By the Leeks of Babylon, E.I.E.I.O,
There we sat, there, yea, we wept, E.I.E.I.O.
With a boo-hoo here, and a boo-hoo there,
....
By the Leeks of Babylon, E.I.E.I.OOOOO"
You might find it interesting that some Jewish mystics do not see the firmament (Genesis 1) as a geometric barrier - here (physical) and there (spiritual). Rather, they see the "there" as "here" and the boundary between the two, the firmament, as the speed of light.
In that interpretation, the sense of physical reality is "slow motion".
Like "We" are in "heaven".?..
Christians, however, are aware of being alive in timelessness while yet in the flesh:
I see physical death as a "weighing of the anchor". In your metaphor, it would be getting off the donkey. In the Jewish mystic interpretation, it would be a separation of body and spirit, so that the speed of light is no longer a boundary.
The ancient Arabs spoke of a creature having life in two worlds: his body was rooted in the earth, but his soul swept out across the horizons to a world beyond. Let us call him by his name: Man. This balance which is Man is a tension rarely maintained in the course of human existence.Let us call the one who situates his destiny in this world, and who habituates his gaze to the things this side of the horizon, Aristotelian Man. Let us call the one who despises the limits of the horizons, and who contemplates the world beyond, Platonic Man.
This first alienation of man from himself was healed in the ancient world by the Incarnation. Aristotelian Man, like St. Thomas the Doubter, could put his fingers in the side of his Creator; and Platonic Man, like the mystic John, found the Word, but it was the Word made Flesh. Revelation restored to man the unity that was himself . . . This unity was achieved as a reality both personal and corporate for a period of time in that small segment of the globe known as Western Europe.
Human unity was gradually lost, and a new man came into being. This man ha his life neither in the rooted things of the world nor in a heaven beyond. Nor is he Christian Man, man reconciled to himself. This new man looks neither outward and above nor outward and round about him. He looks within, and attempts to find salvation by a penetration and purgation of the hidden depths of his own personality. This is Modern Man, man twice alienated from himself, and he has not yet found his soul. "Je est un autre," said Rimbaud. "I IS an Other." And yet the Other which he is, is shrouded in darkness; and it is in this crucifixion of himself that Modern Man has come to see, without knowing that he sees, the hidden irony of the Cross.
Rimbaud was to wreak his vengeance on this Other he could not find by denouncing poetry, and by turning to what consolations the sands of Africa and the keel of a slave ship could offer an alienated man. He was a forerunner of what has become the dominant motif of the Western soul as expressed in its literature: the Man of Guilt.
Guilt is the effect of estrangement; it follows on a renunciation, explicit or implicit, of some dimension of the human spirit which is essential to the integral perfection of man. This renunciation has nothing to do with asceticism, which is a discipline sanctified and defined by the Christian tradition, having as its goal the flowering of human existence. The ascetic artist who prunes away the irrelevant so that the end may be achieved. Alienation is altogether different. It is the renunciation of something without which the end cannot be. Hence, wherever you find this sense of guilt so preoccupying modern man, you find a rupturing of the human heart, a positive surrender of some value which is consubstantial with achieved, completed, personal perfection. Being cannot be mocked with impunity.
Belloc ping at #817.
This is especially true to Darwins crowd; they can call themselves anything they wish but it is still your basic atheistical approach to creation.
Scientists do define rules of true science but if they break their own rules it is forgiven. Yet they throw hissy fits to advocates of ID. They are afraid of exposure , an examination of their lies, misrepresentations, and lack of scientific vigor. Light always exposes the darkness of their illusions.
But whether or not ID is science is the important issue
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