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pre-tax, definately. and hubby, who is a very generous tipper, always says you should only tip 10% on the bar/beverage part of the bill

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1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
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pre-tax, definately. and hubby, who is a very generous tipper, always says you should only tip 10% on the bar/beverage part of the bill

LOL....he is a GENEROUS tipper??

I went out to lunch with an acquaintance yesterday and he stiffed the waitress by leaving her a 10% tip. I won't be going out to eat with him in the future. As somebody pointed out on an earlier posting, if you can't afford to tip your wait staff decently, don't eat out!!

Interesting perspective from the referenced site:

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TIPPING TO CUSTOMERS!!!!

I have seen several customer compliants on this site about why they should tip according to the PRICE of the food.

OK, Let me break it down for you.

SERVERS DO NOT TAKE HOME THE WHOLE TIP YOU LEFT THEM!

Based on the SALES of the food, the server/bartender has to leave MANY other people tips too- and yes that comes out of the lousy tip you left. At my particular restaurant, i have to leave 5% of my sales to other people working with me- the bussers, the bartenders, the expo, the food runners.

SO that 15% tip you left me becomes a 10% tip in actuality.

THAT is why you tip based on the price of the food.

If you leave me 10% of a tip, I only get to take home 5% of that tip.

If you can't tip 20%, and you KNOW this- don't go out to eat! When you stiff your server, you are actually STEALING from them. Because no matter what kind of tip you leave, the server still has to tip out many other based on the price of the food you ate. And if you didn't tip- then it has to come out of the servers own pocket.

You can't blame everything on your server. Sometimes the kitchen is backed up and the food takes a while. There is NOTHING a server can do about this. Sometimes the Bar is over loaded and your drink takes forever. Believe me, the server is just as frustrated as you are! But we can't jump behind the bar or food rail and start making things ourselves! We have to wait just like you do- and we know that every minute that goes by our tip gets smaller and smaller. We are more concerned about your food and drinks than you are, believe me.

Our livelyhood depends on it.