Posted on 11/19/2005 12:55:30 PM PST by new yorker 77
*cough cough*
http://www.foia.cia.gov/duelfer/Iraqs_WMD_Vol3.pdf
Link does work you liar.
"I agree. The more stridently and desperately conservatives defend the pretext for the war the more foolish we look."
YOU are not a conservative, but a Dem operative as shown by your posts praising Joe Wilson, and your claims that Murtha never said "Immediate Withdraw" from Iraq.
If Salman Pak was a terrorist camp it would be a house hold name. The defector that made the claims about its being used as a terrorist camp claimed that they had excercises where they landed on speeding trains in helicopters in order to hijack them. His credibility was deemed fanciful.
"If Salman Pak was a terrorist camp it would be a house hold name."
Hey Doc, got those pics of Salman Pak terrorist training camp handy?
The LAME stream media sat on the story.
You see, the media doesn't want us to win, just like the DEMS don't want us to win.
Do you think they'd report on the fact that uranium was found in Irq?
Not in any appreciable manner.
Frankly, I think my posts are over your head. If ad hominems and character assassination is all you can respond with I suggest you refrain from reading my posts.
Yeah but, but.. those are facts.
After we were attacked by the cowards of 9/11, President Bush told the world:
IF YOU AID/ABET OUR ENEMIES,
YOU ARE THE ENEMY.
It was a fair warning. People seem to have forgotten his warning.
"Frankly, I think my posts are over your head."
All liberals think that.
And they're always wrong.
"If ad hominems and character assassination is all you can respond with I suggest you refrain from reading my posts."
If lying, your claim that the Duelfer report link didn't work, and spouting DNC talking points is all you have, you should refrain from being here as FR is not a liberal debating forum.
You are most definitely a Dem.
LOL!!
Even Fox is barely watchable and only then in spurts.
5.56mm
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I disagree with you. Your solution of "just let Iraq/9/11thingy go" still leaves all those the CommiCrats brainwashed believing all the lies about the President and VP inventing the story so as to go to war for oil.
That's a serious and valid concern and and you've got a good argument. However, I stick by my position of defocussing on the link between Saddam and Al Quaida on grounds that are both cynical and practical.
The cynic in me says the brainwashed masses are not likely to listen to any argument. Even the rational Democrats who believe the President simply made some errors with no ill intent are staying silent on that point because they know it is to their political advantage to let the loonies have free reign.
The pragmatist in me says that nothing succeeds like success. Remember the quote "It's the economy stupid." Well the economy is OK so it's not the economy but the war. We need to win the war.
I believe that focusing on the reality that we are commited there now, that the consequences of leaving early are massive, the humanitarian good that we have done, what a bad guy Saddam was and our plan to leave Iraq with a stable friendly democracy is the way to get the support we need to finish the job. When we win the war many of these other concerns will evaporate so I think we need to focus on how best to do that.
But I respect your concerns and if I thought we had a reasonable chance of changing minds then I'd agree with your strategy.
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Have you in fact praised Joe Wilson?
I suspect there are more WMDs yet to be found in Iraq and a good deal of material that was secreted out of Iraq. I know that there was more found than you have listed. I have read accounts of it on FR taken from major news services. I'm sure you have too. Thank you for bringing me back to center on this. It is easy to forget the original point when you take the defensive against propaganda. (ie Moore/Sheehy/Kennedy/Murtha)
bump for bookmark.
This argument has nothing to do with WMD being the "lone issue". However, disarming Saddam of his WMD was the "overshadowing" issue for invading Iraq and the one issue exceeding all others. You need to reread what I posted and what you posted.
You clearly stated that WMD weren't the centerpiece of Bush's reasoning for invading Iraq. You couldn't more wrong. I gave you several quotes from the President that specifically say, WMD were the major reason, the issue of central importance for invading Iraq.
>>>>... it shouldn't be forgotten that 9/11 and Al Queda were hardly the centerpiece for the administrations case for war. Nor were WMDs. It is simply leftist/MSM myth that the President made those things the most important.
It's no my myth my FRiend.
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