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To: nmh
You are the vile one, unable to overcome your own prejudice and introducing cheap shots into an argument totally unrelated. That's quite a way to witness for what you consider the truth.

SD

137 posted on 11/22/2005 6:03:51 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
"You are the vile one, unable to overcome your own prejudice and introducing cheap shots into an argument totally unrelated. That's quite a way to witness for what you consider the truth."

LOL!

I have "no prejudice" and I am the best spokesperson for myself. I know many Catholics - like any other group there is good and bad. What I vehemently disagree with is the lies they are taught to believe and chose to believe. The majority of my church is filled with ex-Catholics. When their eyes are first opened their typically in denial, then angry but the truth gives them the comfort they need to overcome their disappointment.

I'm sorry to see that you see truth as "vile".

To state that I see Hillary and Bill as liars is not a "prejudice" nor is it "vile". It's simply the truth. You simply don't like the truth. So you cloak it with name calling to better yourself. I don't flinch at childish name calling. Your name calling is worn out and abused. I suppose it is difficult to defend the indefensible and you in particular are forced to use this empty war of ugly name calling as your only defense. So sad.

The truth will also set you free and you will feel peace inside. To be part of the "body" is extended to all but unfortunately not all receive Him. Be one of the "body".

138 posted on 11/22/2005 6:27:45 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: SoothingDave
I was thinking further about you ... .

I always find it amazing when, (I'm guessing now) that YOU believe that Christ rose from the dead and sits on the right side of God ... Christ turned water into wine ... literally walked on water ... and for some mysterious reason you defend a FALLIBLE mortal who states that He didn't create the earth in seven literal twenty-four hour days as He LITERALLY states in Hebrew in Genesis.

Next, you call me "vile" and "prejudiced" for people who take the word of man as "truth" who state otherwise as "truth" in this particular issue. That always amazes me. Why believe ANY of the Bible? All you're doing is selectively defining "truth" according to a fallible mortal.

At one time the Catholic church was upset with Galileo for stating the world was round rather than flat. If they had taken the Bible seriously they NEVER would have believed the world was flat. The Bible stated differently:

(See url:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html
for more detail.)

Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the "four corners" of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the "language of appearance," just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly. [DD]

In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. [DD]

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth."

Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe. [JSM]

The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth. [JSM]

Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth "within 50 miles of the present estimate." [Encyclopedia Brittanica]

The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]

The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]

The implication of a round earth is seen in the book of Luke, where Jesus described his return, Luke 17:31. Jesus said, "In that day," then in verse 34, "In that night." This is an allusion to light on one side of the globe and darkness on the other simultaneously. [JSM]

"When the Bible touches on scientific subjects, it is entirely accurate." [DD]

Read more...

But, doesn't the Bible refer to "the four corners of the earth." How can a spherical earth have corners? Answer...

Who invented the concept of a flat Earth? Answer...

Click on the word "Answer" for the answer at this url:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c034.html

You know, there's still time to become part of the body of Christ. All the rituals and "traditions" in the world won't save you and neither will believing lies save you. Truth is NOT and never will be multiple choice. Nor does "truth" "evolve". A statement with some "truth" in it is no longer "truth" when it contains lies - then it all become false - boolean logic. Something is either true or it is false. Compromise on truth, automatically makes it false.

Lastly "truth" is not "vile" or prejudiced" Truth is what it is, "truth".

139 posted on 11/22/2005 6:51:11 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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