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To: orionblamblam
I suspect that few people ever thought of the Commentaries as a Holy Relic/Text.

Maybe. But whatever the reason, the Bible is better authenticated.

And since there are no "dozens" of witnesses,

Sure there are according to the Gospels. And again, unlike Commentaries, the New Testament is compiled from a variety of sources.

certainly no reliable ones to *any* reported miracles, then reports of miracles can be safely and reasonably set aside until such point as those claiming miracles can prove them.

How would you prove a miracle? We have a group of quasi-literate, working class types revolutionizing the world despite active opposition by every earthly power in the world, and without scintilla of expectation of earthly gain, in fact with the expectation of torment and persecution. And most amazingly they were successful. Would you call that a miracle? No.

How about in 1917, 75,000 people gathered to witness a miracle. They witnessed a miracle. Here's the newspaper report Still, people can and do reason it away.

There are, after all, contemporary accounts of Muhammad pulling off mircales

Again a claim of a miracle does not mean a miracle. Muhammad was never the subject of skeptical inquiry. Those who did were killed. Christianity was the subject of skepticism from the get-go. Mocking Christ on the road to Golgatha, putting guards on the tomb etc.

150 posted on 11/19/2005 8:46:21 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

> We have a group of quasi-literate, working class types revolutionizing the world despite active opposition by every earthly power in the world, and without scintilla of expectation of earthly gain, in fact with the expectation of torment and persecution. And most amazingly they were successful. Would you call that a miracle?

Look up the history of the Mormons and get back to us.

> How about in 1917, 75,000 people gathered to witness a miracle. They witnessed a miracle. Here's the newspaper report

Amazing what people can see when they want to, yes? If the sun had in fact "danced," you'd think someone somewhere else would ahve noted it.

> Muhammad was never the subject of skeptical inquiry.

Neither, so far as existing records attest, was Jesus Christ. Long dead before anybody seemed to care.

> Mocking Christ on the road to Golgatha, putting guards on the tomb etc.

Again, hearsay. And even if so... not exactly indicative of anything important.


161 posted on 11/19/2005 2:11:09 PM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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