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We're not in Kansas anymore (Krauthammer slams Intelligent Design)
Townhall ^ | 11/18/2005 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 11/18/2005 7:58:33 AM PST by Uncledave

Edited on 11/18/2005 6:57:43 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Because every few years this country, in its infinite tolerance, insists on hearing yet another appeal of the Scopes monkey trial, I feel obliged to point out what would otherwise be superfluous -- that the two greatest scientists in the history of our species were Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, and they were both religious.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: intelligentdesign; krauthammer; scienceeducation
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To: rmgatto

He meant that Science doesn't work on proofs it works on evidence. Proofs only exist in Math and Whiskey.


101 posted on 11/18/2005 11:28:12 AM PST by Borges
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To: BMCDA

I believe most people, perhaps erroneously according to your post, interpret evolution as the explanation of how life arose on this planet. You know, from the primordial ooze to me and you.



102 posted on 11/18/2005 12:27:32 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: BMCDA

I think what is confusing me here is Darwin's reference to Origins of Life. I understand that he is looked at as the father of the theory (though others had proposed it previously).


103 posted on 11/18/2005 1:27:44 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: GOPPachyderm
I think what is confusing me here is Darwin's reference to Origins of Life.

Well, you have to keep in mind that Darwin isn't the Theory of Evolution just as Einstein isn't the Theory of Relativity. And just like Einstein speculated about other things not necessarily related to his main work, so could Darwin speculate about issues which are not covered by the ToE.

The Theory of Evolution is by it's very nature a theory that covers the dynamics of a system (i.e. imperfect self-replicators) and not it's initial conditions (i.e. how those replicators arose). It seems that this is the point that so many creationists seem not to understand.

I understand that he is looked at as the father of the theory (though others had proposed it previously).

No, not quite. There have been other theories of evolution like that of Lamark but Darwin was the first to propose the one that is accepted today because it is supported by several independent lines of evidence.
However, he wasn't the only one who came up with this theory. Alfred Russel Wallace was a contemporary who had basically the same idea, although not as developed as Darwin's. An exchange with Wallace prompted Darwin to publish his theory sooner than he had intended.

104 posted on 11/18/2005 2:18:32 PM PST by BMCDA (cdesign proponentsists - the missing link)
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To: Steve_Seattle

> I never claimed that an airplane is self-replicating

As well you shoudl not have. Because *that* is the difference between an airplane and an ameba. Life replicates, and in the process often gets more complex through *entirely* material processes.

> the evolutionist claims that a "mechanism" is very different from a process guided by "intelligence." But is it really?

Often, yes. The "mechanism" through which water flows uphill is sunlight evaporating lake and ocean water, the water vapor being lower density than air, floating up, gathering in clouds and raining back down. Here is a mechanism through which energy is added to a system and work is done and complexity and information are made, but not the slightest shred of intelligence anywhere in the process.


105 posted on 11/18/2005 2:20:42 PM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Tribune7

Non sequitur. Unless you're claiming that "The Iliad" is authentic history and thus evidence that the Olympian gods were real critters.


107 posted on 11/18/2005 2:21:58 PM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam
Unless you're claiming that "The Iliad" is authentic history and thus evidence that the Olympian gods were real critters.

Would you claim Caesar's Commentaries as authentic history? What is more reliable the Gospels or Caesar?

110 posted on 11/18/2005 2:55:45 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Nanny7
evolutionists want to censor (keep from students) data that may suggest the i.d. position keep quackery out of the classroom.

There. Fixed it.

111 posted on 11/18/2005 3:57:32 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Tribune7
What is more reliable the Gospels or Caesar?

Ceasar?

112 posted on 11/18/2005 3:58:34 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey

Why would you think that?


113 posted on 11/18/2005 4:10:57 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Why would you think that?

Why not? At least we know he lived. We don't know if there is a God.

114 posted on 11/18/2005 4:13:32 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey
Why not? At least we know he lived. We don't know if there is a God.

Weren't you claiming to be a Christian or am I confusing you with someone else?

115 posted on 11/18/2005 4:14:32 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Weren't you claiming to be a Christian or am I confusing you with someone else?

When I was baptized I was told I was saved for life. So I guess I have that base covered, for whatever it is worth.

116 posted on 11/18/2005 4:17:01 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey
There. Fixed it. ..... just like elitists have been "fixing it" for the past 40 years. you guys just keep making my point. keep it up.
117 posted on 11/18/2005 4:53:39 PM PST by Nanny7
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To: Nanny7

Someone has to keep the kooks off the kool-aid.


118 posted on 11/18/2005 5:09:50 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey
Someone has to keep the kooks off the kool-aid. ..... and you define what's koolaid, hmmmm? All I'm arguing for is academic freedom. No, more than that -- honesty! there is a debate going on among legitimate scientists, and you can't hide that anymore. So who's the koolaid kooks?
119 posted on 11/18/2005 5:29:24 PM PST by Nanny7
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To: Nanny7
there is a debate going on among legitimate scientists,

Name ONE that says that evolution of man did not occur.

120 posted on 11/18/2005 5:45:13 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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