The Origin of Speciousness (Darwinism is an intrinsically atheistic theory. If...)

The American Prowler ^ | 11/18/2005 | George Neumayr

[Para-Ord.45]

So if Darwin is the be-all end-all how did the first protien invent itself and then construct itself?

Answer: You don`t know.

So go pound your dogmatic sand and leave science continue to move toward something more complex than any dogmatist ever could imagine.

[Dumb_Ox]

Why is Wilson treated as a theological authority?

Yes, strict Darwinism dogmatizes that there is no qualitative difference between humanity and other animals, that there is no fixity of species, that humanity can evolve into something else, that life is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing. All of these are either contradictory or at least problematic for Jewish and Christian theology. However, many of these positions trespass into the fields of ontology and metaphysics, and I think it's possible to retrieve Darwinism and its followers from its philosophical overreach.

I'm told Etienne Gilson's "From Aristotle to Darwin and Back Again" quite admirably rescues Darwinism from its philosophical incoherence.

[Dumb_Ox]

Baptism actually effects an ontological change, hence the saying "Once a Catholic, always a Catholic." jennyp can always just wander back to the confessional tomorrow.

[BikerNYC]

If you are an atheist now, you never were a Catholic. IMHO

Would you generalize that and say that there are no former Catholics, as if you ever leave the church you were never really a Catholic to begin with?

[qam1]

Darwin's value in all of these areas is doodley squat. The search for truth has uncovered molecular structure, cause and effect. The conclusion you assert is unwarranted.

Simple multiple choice question

George Bush is worried about a pandemic outbreak of bird flu and want to prepare for the possibility. Is he worried because

a) Scientist told him that the avian influenza virus can evolve to infect humans?

or

b) A priest told him God is angry and is going to send a plague?

[babygene]

"Would you generalize that and say that there are no former Catholics, as if you ever leave the church you were never really a Catholic to begin with?"

There's a lot of difference between not being a Catholic and being an atheist...

[BikerNYC]

How about going from a Cathoilic to a Hindu? Buddhist? Wiccan?

[Right Wing Professor]

So if Darwin is the be-all end-all how did the first protien invent itself and then construct itself?

It didn't. Next question.

[Right Wing Professor]

Baptism actually effects an ontological change, hence the saying "Once a Catholic, always a Catholic." jennyp can always just wander back to the confessional tomorrow.

Relax said the nightman
We are programed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave

[Dumb_Ox]

So is our existence, our very being, a prison?

[Right Wing Professor]

General observation: there appears to be a lot of stakes-raising, bet-the-pot, all-or-nothing rhetoric coming from the creationist camp these days. They, and not atheists, seem to be determined to drive theistic evolutionists out of their camp. It's an injudicious gamble. While they may be right that at the moment that if you force Americans to choose between being Christians and believing in the essential truth of modern science, a majority will plump for Christianity, in the long term it's a losing bet. Science is constantly progressing, while Christianity is never going to be any different than it ever was. If I were a Christian, I'd be very reluctant to say you can't be a Christian and believe in a theory as successful as evolution; because ultimately, if that is true, many people will decide they aren't Christians.

[Right Wing Professor]

So is our existence, our very being, a prison?

The lyrics were to Hotel California

[Dead Dog]

This is why I believe ID needs to be taught. It teaches, through pure force of reason, the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. And how the former ruins science.

Any time self proclaimed scientists makes the assumption that there is no God, because it appears unguided evolution is possible, they are no longer following deductive reasoning or the scientific process. They are philosophers, adhering to Materialism...purely on faith.

It is poisoned reasoning.

Buttressing his argument that Darwinism is a godless account of nature, Wilson reminds readers that Darwin rejected Christianity, and that this "shedding of blind faith gave him the intellectual fearlessness to explore human evolution wherever logic and evidence took him."

BS. Darwind abandond tetology due to his work, he abondond faith only after the tragic death of his daughter (who could blame him?). He NEVER was an athiest. He was, by his own words, agnositic before he died.

[Tribune7]

Ever since the Enlightenment - heck, ever since Galileo - the Church has been trying to keep the faith intellectually respectable as new scientific discoveries have kept threatening specific literalist interpretations of the Bible.

Scientific discoveries have been more threatening to materialism but materialism is a more emoitional, less reasonable faith than Christianity.

[Dead Dog]

Kinda like trying to disprove the Magician by studying the rabit.

[Tribune7]

Yes, nice description.

[Dumb_Ox]

The lyrics were to Hotel California

I know that. What your point was in citing it? Since Hotel California seems to be a depiction of Hell, I thought perhaps you were equating the Catholic Church with the bachelor pad of Satan, King of the Losers.

[Right Wing Professor]

I was just referring to the contention that if you check into the Catholic Church, you can never leave. By the way, I don't think Hotel California is meant to be a depiction of Hell. I think it's meant to be a depiction of California.

[jennyp]

What made you decide there was no God?

Basically, all the arguments for God's existence strike me as self-serving wishful thinking, or at least so fallacious that the believer would never think of using the same kind of arguments in any other area of their life.

[mlc9852]

I just can't imagine not believing in God. Even if I didn't want to, I would have to. The evidence of a higher power seems overwhelming. But I wish you well in your journey for the truth.