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To: reelfoot
We're overwhelmingly importing the bottom rung of the third world rather than the best and brightest of the first world.

People who live in first world countries don't migrate. Life is too good. However, when we start importing educated people from India or China who have engineering or science degrees, you'll hear a different set of Freepers screaming foul.

Vincente Fox keeps forgetting he is president of Mexico. If he spent half as much time trying to reform his country, rather than trying to reform our policies, he might actually accomplish something.

52 posted on 11/17/2005 12:49:53 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
People who live in first world countries don't migrate. Life is too good.

During and after WWII, for one example, when "intellectuals," artistic types, and later, really "just" anyone educated (doctors, nurses, lawyers, engineers, architects) were being shipped off to Stalin's death camps, millions of normal and bright people had to flee from Europe, including my family. Those who were not admitted into the U.S. for whatever reason, needed to go to Australia, Canada, South America, whichever country would take them. Here, they were required to speak English, have jobs and sponsors, be healthy, know the Constitution, among other things.

And, they didn't come over through some backdoor liberal "migration" path. They waited years to be admitted legally. They were the true immigrants who came over and continued to work for America, not using social services, or demanding that govt. ballots and other documents be in their native tongues. They did not bankrupt 83 emergency rooms in Southern California and many more in Arizona, they did not flip SUV after SUV packed full on our highways, sometimes into innocent Americans, they did not trash our towns, ranches, and hiking trails with human waste and medical needles, they did not bring leprosy and tuberculosis with them en masse.

53 posted on 11/17/2005 1:01:31 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

"People who live in first world countries don't migrate. Life is too good. However, when we start importing educated people from India or China who have engineering or science degrees, you'll hear a different set of Freepers screaming foul."

Certainly bright and successful people in first world countries would not be prone to immigrate unless induced to do so by better job opportunities or to escape the European welfare state (for the smaller American welfare state).

Which goes to one of my points. We don't need a lot of immigration in this country anyway. From the roads I travel on and the population statistics I see, it doesn't seem we're going to run out of people here anytime soon. As a matter of fact, we're adding millions at an alarming rate each decade. So we don't need to import millions to fill an unpopulated western half of our country. And those relatively few we allow in should be carefully chosen to be those who have unique intellects and can contribute to our country in a way no lettuce-picker can.

As to your second point, that foreigners with science or engineering degrees imported to this country by American companies will be resented, I have two thoughts: 1) if they are being brought over because there is a dire need for them that absolutely cannot be met in this country, then I say, bring them on in. However, we should also redouble our efforts to make sure we can supply future scientists and engineers from our own populace by proper educational incentives. 2) if they are being brought over because American companies want to save a few thousand dollars in salaries by dumping their American employees, then, no, we don't need them.

Immigration must be VERY restricted and must be in the interests of OUR country, not an escape valve for the hellholes of the world.


54 posted on 11/17/2005 1:03:14 PM PST by reelfoot
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