Research On Ancient Writing Linked With Modern Mideast Conflict

The State ^ | 11-14-2005 | Ron Grossman

[Verginius Rufus]

This site seems to be a couple of miles east or NE of Kiryat Gat, which appears to be at or near the site of the Philistine city of Gath, the home town of Goliath. I doubt you can tell from someone writing the alphabet in order what his religion was, whether he was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah, or a Philistine.

In Acts 8.26 there is a reference to the road that runs from Jerusalem to Gaza. That apparently ran a few miles south of Tel Zayit.

[blam]

Thanks.

Hopefully I'll be able to post a thread about the proceedings, etc.

[Dajjal]

This ASOR meeting is one facet of the big American Academy of Religion / Society of Biblical Literature annual convention, this year in Philly. It will make the press to some degree. Remember a few years back when the big news of the conference was that "James brother of Jesus" ossuary that all the scholars gathered to examine and discuss? I doubt if this finding will make as big a splash, but there should be some ripples in the news media.

(BTW, in case any readers of this thread don't recall, the ossuary was eventually proved to be a hoax. The owner was arrested and I believe is awaiting trial in Isarel.)

[TheCrusader]

"We only state, our hypothesis has been verified by empirical means available, vetted by impartial experts in the field. Then, and only then, is there a Theory, complete and consistent in and of itself."

Care to cast an hypothesis on why public schools, (and most other conduits of the liberal agenda), teach the doctrine of evolution without explaining to people that empirical research on evolution is impossible, and that there is no universal consensus amongst scientists on the subject?

Theories are fine with me, so long as those who espouse them do so with the proper disclaimers and caveats. Unfortunately, such is almost never the case when 'science' is fed to public education institutions and promoted through the liberal mass media. In fact, I believe that many 'scientists' will willfully advance their personal and political agendas by substituting junk science for the real thing.

[TheCrusader]

"Both evolution and Biblical history have man living and working at his present full intelligence level during the earliest history of writing 8-10,000 years ago."

I believe that Biblical history takes man back about 6,000 years or so. Many evolutionists take man's origin back millions of years.

That both sides would agree that man had full intellectual powers six thousand years ago means absolutely nothing to the debate. (Though to people of faith there is no 'debate' about creation).

'Debate' about man's origin only occurs when those who attempt, with junk science, to disprove the Bible's teaching. Though the theory of 'evolution' is unobservable and utterly impossible to recreate, it is advanced like some sort of secular catechsis or unassailable doctrine.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Epigraphy and Language
A Is for Ancient, Describing an Alphabet Found Near Jerusalem
	Posted by saquin On News/Activism 11/08/2005 8:48:19 PM PST · 29 replies · 514+ views New York Times | 11/9/05 | John Noble Wilford In the 10th century B.C., in the hill country south of Jerusalem, a scribe carved his A B C's on a limestone boulder - actually, his aleph-beth-gimel's, for the string of letters appears to be an early rendering of the emergent Hebrew alphabet. Archaeologists digging in July at the site, Tel Zayit, found the inscribed stone in the wall of an ancient building. After an analysis of the layers of ruins, the discoverers concluded that this was the earliest known specimen of the Hebrew alphabet and an important benchmark in the history of writing, they said this week. If they...
Israelite Alphabet May Have Been Found
	Posted by anymouse On News/Activism 11/09/2005 5:11:58 PM PST · 29 replies · 658+ views Associated Press | 11/09/04 Two lines of an alphabet have been found inscribed in a stone in Israel, offering what some scholars say is the most solid evidence yet that the ancient Israelites were literate as early as the 10th century B.C. "This is very rare. This stone will be written about for many years to come," archaeologist Ron E. Tappy, a professor at the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary who made the discovery, said Wednesday. "This makes it very historically probable there were people in the 10th century (B.C.) who could write." Christopher Rollston, a professor of Semitic studies at Emmanuel School of Religion in...

[ElkGroveDan]

That both sides would agree that man had full intellectual powers six thousand years ago means absolutely nothing to the debate.

Actually it makes your earlier argument moot:

Since I never subscribed to the theory of evolution, I believe man's immediately-created intelligence allowed a written language to begin very rapidly

Both you and those who accept evolution agree that man had full and complete intelligence 6,000 years ago. So any concept of "gradual intelligence" is totally unrelated to the orgins of writing.

[TheCrusader]

"Both you and those who accept evolution agree that man had full and complete intelligence 6,000 years ago. So any concept of "gradual intelligence" is totally unrelated to the orgins of writing"

Based on your replies, I think you're either responding to the wrong person or have a real intellectual deficit.

Evolutionists claim man is millions of years old, and developed intellectual abilities only gradually. Creationists, which I agree with, claim man is roughly 6,000 years old and possessed high intellectual capabilities and reason from the very beginning of their creation.

On the subject of the first letter of the first alphabet, I believe the first 'letter' of an alphabet was created when the first man fashioned a symbol on a tree or the earth to warn his fellow tribesman of some local, inherent danger, and it became the accepted symbol to communicate danger amongst each other, in 'writing'. Or it occurred when he first carved a mark (symbol) on a tree to help him remember directions, or to warn other tribes not to trespass. One could even take origins of writing back to God Himself, who created the earth and hence created the 'tracks' of animals which symbolized they were present, told which species and how many, and explained where they were heading.

It's all very interesting and edifying to learn and speculate about this stuff, but it's even more interesting to watch the evolutionists and scientists' blood pressure rise as they toil and sweat to 'prove' their little theories and drive their agenda, rather than just present their findings and let the chips fall where they may.

[ElkGroveDan]

Based on your replies, I think you're either responding to the wrong person or have a real intellectual deficit.

Go back and read you first post again. It isn't relative to this discussion. As for the intellectual deficit, that's what liberals do. Claim people are stupid when they are the ones that don't understand the discussion. You give Crusaders a bad name.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 11/14/2005. Thanks blam. One of *those* topics.

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