Posted on 11/14/2005 9:02:02 AM PST by NormsRevenge
This thread has been an excellent lesson to the Freepers out of California, why the left had their big victory last week.
The left was unified, and apparently about 1/4 to 1/3 of the registered republicans hated Arnold more than winning with the props. So they stayed home, didn't vote, and now are bitching about Arnold losing the election.
As Wolfstar pointed out Nissan and Toyota will be leaving California and so will many other corporations and independent contractors. They know that the left will perceive this huge victory and as an open gate to pass all the taxes they want in order to fund their Politically Correct legislation.
We have officially turned our state over to the barbarians of the dark side. Enjoy the rides they are preparing for California and us. We now have no way to stop their upcoming rape and pillage of Californians.
Yes, conservatives do.
Conservatives can promote and help elect conservatives, regardless of the candidate's party registration. Three good ones will be on the ballot in 2006.
Conservatives can continue to defeat liberal policies, regardless the sponsor, at the polls. Thanks, in small part to conservatives, Prop 76, 78 and 79 went down to defeat last Tuesday. Congratulations to the 13% solution.
Conservatives can withhold their financial support from political parties as long as those parties promote and support liberal policies and candidates.
Conservatives can and do make a difference.
How's that ?
According to the Secretary of State website, it looks like the same amount of Dems stayed home as Republicans, or more. GOP registration accounted for 34.8% of registered voters as of 15 days before the election, the cut-off date. (Dems represented 42.7%) Props 73 and 75 got 47.4% and 46.7% of the vote. The ratio of Dem-to-Republican registration is much greater than the ratio of No-to-Yes votes on the two red-meat conservative issues. That tells me that conservatives did not stay home and were perfectly able to separate any distaste for the governor's other actions from the issues put on the ballot.
Who exactly are you referring to when you say "they stayed home, didn't vote, and now are bitching about Arnold losing the election" and what is your support for such a conclusion?
By the way, you still haven't answered either of my two questions in prior posts, above. (Should a politician be held to his campaign promises?)
Apparently the mods themselves rechecked the posting link and saw that the subheading had been changed.
The editors wanted to make it clear that McClintock did not call it a "not so 'special election' ."
""Eventually, California will be forced to take much more drastic action than the current Governor proposed. (For example -- defaulting on state employees' paychecks.)""
We have one more year of borrowing, and no one will make any more loans to California.
Guess those state employees present and retired are gonna float the state for a while...
I voted for all the propositions arnold asked help on. However not enough of us did to make a difference.
Oops. #125 is for you.
Liberalism needs to die. You can argue politics until the cows come home but you will never settle the debate in the realm of ideas. It takes the darwinian struggle to put the debate to rest. Our founding fathers understood this. They chose a limited form of government that emphasized state sovereignty precisely so that failing ideas could fail in isolation.
On a more pragmatic level, most young couples starting out simply can not afford a house in California. Are you really going to tell them to stick it out rather than a make good life for themselves in a red state?
Feel lucky. You were thanked.
Her references to the man she now appears to be championing include:
"Just another bitter gambler, willing to risk California ....He scares me. ....He sounded more like Jim Jones than Ronald Reagan"
Newsflash: He did run for governor. He lost to Arnold.
NJ is a lost cause. :)
Yes indeed, he does summarize it so well.
It's all too clear now.
Arnold papered over the problems of the state with $15 billion in borrowed money. Arnold led the people to believe that everything was just dandy. Some sort of artificial recovery emerged in California and the electorate forgot the underlying reality.
McClintock is on mark. The time to have done those reforms was year one, not year two or three.
I only know of ONE admitted NON-voter from CA on this website, sofar. You guys jumpin up and down about FReepers not voting is just more sophistry as far as I can see!!!
Surely you jest!!!
>>I only know of ONE admitted NON-voter from CA on this website, sofar.
And I don't know of any who said they voted against all the measures.
If they did, I assume someone could provide a link (I have seen none).
Raised taxes and support for abortion are two issues that come to mind. I like the guy and think he was a great President, but I try to be fair.
They just CAN'T admit their Terminator couldn't taunt the Public Servant Unions without gettin HIS butt kicked in the end. It happened just a few short years ago in this state with Wilson! Now Wilson advises Arnold to unbelieveably do it again in an off normal time election??? Unbelieveably stupid and unforgivable!!!
A complete waste of an excellent Ballot Proposition!!!
Unintentionally you just said the funniest thing I've read all day. IF YOU DON'T VOTE, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE. It's as simple as that. I'm so sick of California Republicans who bitch and moan and then sit on their fat asses and do NOTHING. I'm so glad I got out when I did...the State is going down...down...down....you'll all be working to pay the million dollar pensions of State workers. HAVE FUN in your misery and bitching.
You're calling this a liberal state, a state that since the late 70's has:
-Rolled back and limited property taxes (Prop. 13)
-Reinstated the death penalty and voted out three state supreme court justices who opposed it
-Voted to define marriage as 1 man, 1 woman (Prop. 22)
-Voted to end benefits to illegal aliens (Prop. 187)
-Voted to end bilingual education (Prop. 226)
-Imposed term limits on its officials
-Recalled a Democrat governor and replaced him with a Republican
Yeah, we do a lot of pretty liberal things too, but the point is a place headed for the rat hole like you describe wouldn't also be doing what it is doing above.
Sure, the results of the special election don't help, but that just proves what happens when your crappy campaign strategy is to shut up and take it for months while your foes lie by the millions of dollars.
I'm not going to tell couples what to do about where they live. They can stick it out here and fight, or tuck tail and run to where everything is nice and safe for their tender sensibilities and they have no fear of or need to engage in the struggle to preserve something incredible from where the battle needs them most.
I'm staying put.
Sure, the Democrat and Republican legislators and congressmen have the equivalent of teacher tenure, and fought 77 as much as the teachers fought 74 because they don't want to be held accountable.
And job/party security is the whole goal. Keep your ass in a safe district and jump from Assembly to Senate or vice versa to avoid term limits (and having to get a real job), and pray that a congressional (no term limits!) district opens up - and cash in on the good life.
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