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To: Liberal Classic
I would have to say when Mr Abrams claims "But, if one takes the time to read the Science Curriculum Standards, they would see that Intelligent Design is not included" that he is talking through his teeth.

Abrams is in a different category from the typical creationist poster here on this website. The typical creationist we encounter isn't steeped in the issues. He's basically going with some old misinformation, and for some reason he doesn't want to learn that he may be wrong. This is, by my standards, a peculiar intellectual position, but it's not evil.

Abrams, on the other hand, is what I'd regard as a "professional" creationist. He's had a few years of intense exposure to the issues. So he knows the issues, and unless he's a case of walking brain-death, he also knows that his position isn't scientific, and that it doesn't belong in a science curriculum. So as to him (as with the folks who maintain creationist websites), I conclude that he's either intentionally lying, or else he's insane. Possibly both, but an insane person can't control himself.

The people of Kansas deserve better. Perhaps, as in Dover, the electorate will wake up and toss these fools out. And I hope the GOP gets the message they were sent in Dover -- ID is an electoral loser. It's gotta be dumped.

167 posted on 11/14/2005 4:23:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Possibly both, but an insane person can't control himself.

I take exception to that. I'm probably as nuts as they come and yet I evince amazing self-control.

170 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:00 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Festival of the Professional Anti-Evo


171 posted on 11/14/2005 4:44:09 PM PST by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry

he also knows that his position isn't scientific, and that it doesn't belong in a science curriculum. So as to him (as with the folks who maintain creationist websites), I conclude that he's either intentionally lying, or else he's insane.

My vote goes to intentionally lying, rationalized by a perceived dispensation because it's a fight to the death against being the 'evil' of evolution. I think a good cross examiner will bring this out under oath , if it comes to that.

176 posted on 11/14/2005 4:58:01 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm with you. I don't think that average folks who post on these threads are practicing deception. If someone tells me they believe the way they do because that is what their faith tells them, I don't have any problem with that.

But you're absolutely right that Mr Abrams should know better. He was elected, and draws a taxpayer salary, based on the premise that he knows what science is, and what the schools ought to be teaching. That he has injected his own personal beliefs into the curriculum shows that he has abandonded professional standards.


191 posted on 11/14/2005 6:59:23 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I would never vote for a candidate that didn't support introducing ID. And if a Democrat supported it, they would get my vote. I'm sure I'm not alone.


198 posted on 11/15/2005 2:26:03 AM PST by mlc9852
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