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Intelligent Design Grounded in Science
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| November 2005
| By Gailon Totheroh
Posted on 11/13/2005 6:07:54 AM PST by NYer
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To: moog
Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Ramapithecus, and Australopithecus are names affectionately given to some of the jawbones, teeth and other fragmentary pieces of bones claimed to be the ancestor of Homo Sapiens and later recognized as hoaxes or mistakes.
The accepted body of knowledge about evolution may be vast, but what do we really know about the ancestor of man? So far, just a lot of dead-end branches of the chimp family.
The paleontologists squabble among themselves even more than Freepers. Mary Leaky said about Donald Johanson, the discoverer of "Lucy," that his work was "not very scientific," and Johanson responded that Mary Leaky "really shows a poor appreciation of what evolution is all about."
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posted on
11/13/2005 10:50:38 AM PST
by
Liberty Wins
(Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
To: nanomid
Why are everyone's sentences going on and on without the wordwrap--I know there has been some changes, but even with wordwrap on, the posts come out longer than my screen.
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posted on
11/13/2005 10:55:17 AM PST
by
moog
To: TAdams8591
People are overreacting to ID as if it is proposing a return to the belief the world is flat.Funny you mention that. I rate ID on the same level (pun intended) as the proposal of a flat earth.
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posted on
11/13/2005 10:57:15 AM PST
by
RadioAstronomer
(Senior member of Darwin Central)
To: Ichneumon
Of course, I was putting out another dumb one-liner as I am wont to do many times.
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posted on
11/13/2005 10:58:25 AM PST
by
moog
To: Liberty Wins
The paleontologists squabble among themselves even more than Freepers. I think there's a lot of people in a lot of areas just looking for an argument. Sometimes I fall into that category, though usually, I am one that does not solicit such. I don't think there's anything wrong with having good discussions, it's when it gets down into name-calling and such that I don't like it.
I should know, it's happened to me quite a bit with all of the dumb remarks that I make:).
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:01:40 AM PST
by
moog
To: Liberty Wins
Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Ramapithecus, and Australopithecus are names affectionately given to some of the jawbones, teeth and other fragmentary pieces of bones claimed to be the ancestor of Homo Sapiens and later recognized as hoaxes or mistakes. Here are some additional "jawbones, teeth and other fragmentary pieces of bones" for your amusement and edification.
Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison (only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)
(A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
(B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
(C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
(D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
(E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
(F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
(G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
(H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
(I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
(J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
(K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
(L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
(M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
(N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:03:49 AM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: RadioAstronomer
same level (pun intended) as the proposal of a flat earth. That "levels" the playing field I suppose.
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:05:42 AM PST
by
moog
To: Ichneumon
It doesn't affect reality, or if it does, it does so in no predictable or useful ways. And here, exactly, is where the argument begins and ends.
A theory T and some amount of works associates a probability P with using T in some translation of the experimental settings with which P was associated with T.
(using the Universe U as a random variable, which it is not, of course.)
The is the only way to state reliability in any quasi-formal or better manner.
What is EVO other than proving that the Universe is stingy? duh. How many more settings (future/past) can it be reliable in? How can we reliably test EVO this instant?
What if the Universe has a heavy-tail distribution with regards to many of the large scale complex systems within which most of the metrics of Life live?
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:06:55 AM PST
by
nanomid
To: Coyoteman
I wondered what happened to my great, great, great, great grandpa Bill.:)
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:07:52 AM PST
by
moog
To: NYer
To: moog
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:09:02 AM PST
by
nanomid
To: nanomid
A theory T and some amount of works associates a probability P with using T in some translation of the experimental settings with which P was associated with T.
(using the Universe U as a random variable, which it is not, of course.)
Those PTU's can get pretty hot.
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:09:19 AM PST
by
moog
To: nanomid
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:10:53 AM PST
by
moog
To: Central Scrutiniser
What a steaming pile...
You must like "hot dogs."
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:12:19 AM PST
by
moog
To: PatrickHenry
"Sniffing crazy glue" is one I don't see on there.
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:15:59 AM PST
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: JNL
Oh goody another ID / EVO thread
I come here for the entertainment too. I can't resist it sometimes. This time I got a little too involved in the "discussion" (if you can call my comments being a discussion:).
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:18:22 AM PST
by
moog
To: VadeRetro
Sniffing crazy glue" is one I don't see on there.
I prefer the cheap Elmer's kind.
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:19:51 AM PST
by
moog
To: Coyoteman
Thanks for the darling pics of all the skulls. However, that doesn't make me feel any better. Will the paleos never stop trying to make apes into men?
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:21:16 AM PST
by
Liberty Wins
(Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
To: moog
Same with me I read every thread, its somewhat like a trainwreck. (you just can't help but look)
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:23:47 AM PST
by
JNL
To: VadeRetro
"Sniffing crazy glue" is one I don't see on there.I'm watching the thread to add at least another row. I had forgotten to include Marx, for example.
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posted on
11/13/2005 11:26:53 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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