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To: JCEccles
Rather, the most logicially coherent inference is that intelligence plays a role. The question of who or what this intelligence is, is not essential to ID theory.

Actually, he stated it perfectly, unless you want to start arguing the difference between 'higher being' and the 'intelligence' that cause these mysterious processes to occur.
And it's an odd coincidence that the people pushing the ID crap are all tied to some religious group or other.

The question of who or what this intelligence is, is not essential to ID theory.

You honestly believe that? 'We think some mysterious entity caused the creation of complex life on Earth (even though we have no physical evidence for this belief). But we aren't really interested in what that entity was - giant robots, evil aliens, Norse Gods, it's all the same to us!'

Yeah, right.

63 posted on 11/12/2005 10:17:50 AM PST by blowfish
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To: blowfish
And it's an odd coincidence that the people pushing the ID crap are all tied to some religious group or other.

People pushing the evolution "crap" are tied to a religious philosophy as well: secular humanism. I think your use of the word "crap" is pretty illustrative: you feel threatened by God, which implies ultimate accountability, and that is really what this is all about.

67 posted on 11/12/2005 10:45:31 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: blowfish

"Actually, he stated it perfectly, unless you want to start arguing the difference between 'higher being' and the 'intelligence' that cause these mysterious processes to occur."

One of the main points of ID is not even about biology. It is about intelligent causes (including humans as intelligent agents) being of a different category than material causes, and not being reducible to them. In addition, Dembski claims that certain effects are only attributable to intelligent causes. Therefore, we can examine systems and determine if intelligent causes had a role in their development.


111 posted on 11/12/2005 7:07:40 PM PST by johnnyb_61820
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