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House Budget Measure Is Pulled: Moderates Buck GOP Leadership In Both Chambers
Washington Post ^ | 11/11/5 | Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray

Posted on 11/10/2005 9:40:22 PM PST by Crackingham

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To: Crackingham

The GOP is suppose to represent conservatism in American politics. There is nothing conservative about more and more spending, while expanding the federal bureaucracy to levels like never before. Big government Republicanism is nothing to be proud of.


21 posted on 11/10/2005 10:34:14 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Soul Seeker
Going silent and going Liberal is what has killed them. They deserve their low ratings.

AMEN!

22 posted on 11/10/2005 10:36:47 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: counterpunch
Which members opposed ANWR and the budget cuts?

We need to organize and recruit conservative GOP candidates to run against these RINOs in their districts. Bring pressure on them from the right to force them to get in line if they want to win the party nomination.

Even if they eventually win their primary, we will at least get close to a year of decent votes from them in the meantime. They need to be scared straight.

Excellent idea. No kidding, they're going to dick off all of the years of hard work that brought us here. We have to purge ourselves of these RINOs. They're like a clump of tumors.
23 posted on 11/10/2005 10:45:40 PM PST by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Carling

I have been watching Specter for a long, long time. Don't worry about him. I know it is not conventional wisdom around here, and I know Specter is indeed a pain in the posterior way too often, but when Bush really needs him, he WILL be there for him, I guarantee it.


24 posted on 11/10/2005 10:47:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Jaysun

I seriously think FR should consider getting more directly active in shaping the GOP. JimRob should consider 527 status and leverage the large user and donor base to support conservatives against RINOs in congressional primaries.


25 posted on 11/10/2005 10:50:10 PM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: Lancey Howard
I have been watching Specter for a long, long time. Don't worry about him. I know it is not conventional wisdom around here, and I know Specter is indeed a pain in the posterior way too often, but when Bush really needs him, he WILL be there for him, I guarantee it.

Yep.
26 posted on 11/10/2005 10:52:04 PM PST by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Lancey Howard

The sad truth is that the alternative is a party that will be proposing bills that increases spending by 500B. This fact is not lost on the RINOs and so called moderates. They know that when push comes to shove, voters will go for them instead of the real liberals.

Oh well....we are screwed.

There is no majority in the Congress for spending cuts, tax cuts, energy production, free trade, conservative jurists, tort reform, malpractice abuse prevention, etc....

There is a majority for transportation security agency, medicare prescription, Katrina spending, conservation as energy policy, subsidies after subsidies, so called torture amendments etc....

Wow, I did not know that GOP rule meant this fate.


27 posted on 11/10/2005 10:54:44 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

I made the conclusion years ago that there really isn't a dime's bit of difference between the two parties. The last straw came when Trent Lott smiled that smarmy little smile and told us they wouldn't convict Clinton in the impeachment trial, no matter what evidence the managers had. I changed my registration to Libertarian.

Now, before you all start tuning up, the Libertarians have some good ideas, but the party has too many flakes who are more interested in "being right than being elected."

So now what do we all do? Where do we go?


28 posted on 11/11/2005 2:02:46 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Soul Seeker

You're right! And what I don't understand, is that they KNOW how they got elected...They didn't go "liberal" to try to sway Dems their way....they sought MORE voters and got out the vote and stuck to the message.
I'm afraid part of this capitulation to the RINOs has to do with the Supreme Court nominees, at least in the Senate. They don't want to alienate the RINOs too much or they won't fight all the way for Alito..all the more reason that this delay on the hearings stink to high heaven..thanks to the chief RINO, Arlen Specter.


29 posted on 11/11/2005 3:37:29 AM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Crackingham

It may be birthing time for the Conservative Party. Republicans just don't get it. The political tide in this country is not toward the mushy middle but polar opposites, both Left and Right. The best thing that happened to the Republican Party was Jimmah Carter, because it made Ronald Reagan possible. We are at that point again, when Republicans need to lose in order for conservatism to win. Only this time, we will need to leave behind the RINOs who are never going to agree with the conservative cause.


30 posted on 11/11/2005 3:48:36 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Lancey Howard
...and I know Specter is indeed a pain in the posterior way too often, but when Bush really needs him, he WILL be there for him, I guarantee it.

So? Bush, himself, is turning into a moderate. What does that provide us?

31 posted on 11/11/2005 3:56:35 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Lancey Howard

>>>I'll tell you this, the RNC better be awfully careful about how they disburse my donations

Solution to that: Not one damn dime to the RNC.


32 posted on 11/11/2005 3:57:50 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (I'm going to quit procrastinating - starting tomorrow.)
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To: Lancey Howard
the RNC better be awfully careful about how they disburse my donations

You still give them your money?

33 posted on 11/11/2005 4:02:02 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: Crackingham

"The fractures were always there. The difference was the White House was always able to hold them in line because of perceived power," said Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio. "After Tuesday's election, it's 'Why are we following these guys? They're taking us off the cliff.' "

Tony Fabrizio is the MSM's favorite "Republican" pollster, he always preaches gloom and doom for our side, a sort of David Gergen. If my memory serves me correctly Fabrizio had Kerry leading Bush by 4-5% near the end of the race last year, and he predicted a Kerry win.


34 posted on 11/11/2005 4:06:45 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Carling; cynicom
Bush Republicans (if there is such a thing) fear the right wing coming to power more than they fear socialism.

There is no Democrat sect or faction with similar fears about the left.

Even after 9/11, which was the President's finest hour, the White House was very active in exhorting the people not to profile or stigmatize Muslims (as opposed to what, exactly?).

The party of the elites has very different views on some subjects than the party of the people.

Our elected officials, of both parties, go to the same schools, have the same pre-elective careers, marry the same women, have the same mistresses, and share the elite's disdain for certainty, for entrepreneurship, and for orthodox Christianity.

The Congress is deeply, passionately socialist.

After 1994, the socialists were weakest, but they have become much stronger in the interim. The President is an interesting figure, in that he has been able to attract the loyalty of the right while accomplishing little to reverse the downward slide of the nation towards socialism and internationalism.

When Mrs. Clinton is elected, you will see how a powerful Chief Executive deals with the opposition.

Here's a hint: She won't be asking Senator Coburn to write the education bill. She won't have Ron Paul over for popcorn and a movie. She won't be dedicating any public monuments to Tom Delay. She won't be asking Newt Gingrich to represent her as a fundraiser or goodwill ambassador.

And, most of all, Associate Justice Gorelick will not have to conceal her views on the important issues of the day.

35 posted on 11/11/2005 4:19:17 AM PST by Jim Noble (Non, je ne regrette rien)
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To: Lancey Howard
I'll tell you this, the RNC better be awfully careful about how they disburse my donations. If I see these scumbag moderates getting help from the RNC, the RNC won't be getting any more help from me.

Hellooooo! The RNC is not averse to supporting liberal-leaning, or even liberal Republicans. It's a natural party function to do so. The RNC supported the Specter campaign, for example, as well as McCain, Snowe, Collins and today, Chaffee.

Giving to the RNC is not for everybody. If the kind of support listed above bugs you, you can give to individual campaigns or to interest groups. Last year, my donations were most to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, but I also donated to conservative individual candidates.

36 posted on 11/11/2005 4:27:41 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Jim Noble
Here's a hint: She won't be asking Senator Coburn to write the education bill ...

I think President Bush's move to use Kennedy for that was in complete harmony with (or shows) President Bush's desire for strong federal control of public education. "Choice with control" if you will.

Check also the background of the Margaret Spellings, the current Secretary of the Federal Department of Education.

37 posted on 11/11/2005 4:36:05 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Crackingham

So this means that dropping the ANWR drilling proposal is tabled for now? A bit of a silver lining there.


38 posted on 11/11/2005 4:38:52 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("If the Marine Corps wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one." - - Chesty Puller)
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To: counterpunch
Which members opposed ANWR and the budget cuts?

I have not yet seen an authoritative list. But it is rumored that most of the signatories to the letter are members of the Republican Main Street Partnership.

39 posted on 11/11/2005 4:40:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: TheDon
It will send a clear message about who needs to be voted out of office.

That's why the p**sies won't do it.

40 posted on 11/11/2005 4:40:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("If the Marine Corps wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one." - - Chesty Puller)
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