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To: BlueStateDepression
This is why I find .08 a valid balance. It is a line of seperation that applies to all people equally, social drinkers can have a few and still drive in the proper timeframe and other drivers can be protected as well as they can be without removing the ability of others ti drink and drive responsibly.

Actions which unreasonably endanger other people are mala in se (bad in and of themselves); actions that don't endanger or harm other people are mala prohibitum (bad merely in that they are prohibited).

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed an act that was mala in se, then it is just and proper that such a person should be punished.

Driving on public rights of way with a BAC of 0.15 unreasonably endangers other people; I don't think there is anyone who can drive safely at that level of intoxication. Thus, if someone is found to have been driving with such a BAC, that pretty well proves beyond a reasonable doubt that they were unreasonably endangering other people. On the other hand, even if some people would not capable capable of driving effectively at a 0.08, others would. Thus, a BAC of 0.08 in and of itself does not constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the person's actions posed an unreasonable risk to others.

If someone blows a 0.07 three hours after a crash, that would tend to provide substantial evidence that their BAC was much higher at the time of the crash, and (absent some substantial rebuttal evidence) tend to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that their actions endangered others. But if someone boards his car with a 0.080 and does not show any outward signs of difficulty driving, the 0.080 would not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person's actions unreasonably endangered anyone.

321 posted on 11/12/2005 10:07:59 AM PST by supercat (Don't fix blame--FIX THE PROBLEM.)
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To: supercat

"Driving on public rights of way with a BAC of 0.15 unreasonably endangers other people; "


SO does .08 as function is shown to be deminished at that level. This makes it a will danger imposed upon others that drive on the same roads.

It is entirely unreasonable to willfully endanger another person. I do not see how that statement can be doubted.

"Thus, a BAC of 0.08 in and of itself does not constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the person's actions posed an unreasonable risk to others."

Being that it is a willful act, and it is known that almost all people show signs of decreased capability, I would argue that the risk in unreasonable beyond doubt.


"If someone blows a 0.07 three hours after a crash, that would tend to provide substantial evidence that their BAC was much higher at the time of the crash"


If the guy that hit me blew a .07 when tested he would not have been charged with DUI. (had he been 21 that is)
My brother was stopped and he blew something just over a .07 and he was released without charge. Yes he was arrested, yes he was detained, that has been found to be a proper action by law enforcement to take.

Denying the people that are harmed or killed by drivers between .08 and .10 is what I would offer as unreasonable.
That number is not insignificant being that one number I found was over 3 thousand people in a year.


326 posted on 11/12/2005 10:54:06 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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