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To: Squeako
"social conservatism" is against things like abortion and gay marriage - "social liberalism" is not. SC puts a high value on traditional ways, SL does not.

Most everyone has an SC streak in them because people generally seek out what is normal to them. They are really SC on the things they value. That's when you see the SC of what we call Liberals today come out - with the "free speech zones" and no smoking laws.
1,176 posted on 11/09/2005 12:32:25 AM PST by dsmtoday
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To: dsmtoday
"social conservatism" is against things like abortion and gay marriage - "social liberalism" is not. SC puts a high value on traditional ways, SL does not.

Leaving me alone seems to be traditional to me. Abortion affects someone else, gay marriage redefines tradition, though to a lesser extent am I personally affected by someone else's free association and his pursuit of state license, which the state can deny. The people of a state voting to ban gay marriage licensing is fine, as "the will of the people", as with Prop 215 ("medical" marijuana) which McClintock even supported as "the will of the people" after it passed. That's not usually your typical "conservative" idea (weed), but standing by the decision of the voters is.

Most everyone has an SC streak in them because people generally seek out what is normal to them. They are really SC on the things they value. That's when you see the SC of what we call Liberals today come out - with the "free speech zones" and no smoking laws.

I can believe something is wrong based upon my values, and I don't have to like a certain behavior, nor equate deviance with normality. It's the social conservatives who are opposed to smoking bans (and one would think bans on private/bedroom personal behavior). This is because it's taking away not only the choices of self-determination, but also the responsibility. Social Liberals want people to do only what they approve, and tie consequences to other uninvolved parties, like welfare. I suppose, at this point, we're talking about the line between traditional conservatives and conservative libertarians.

It's been a long day, and at least it looks like the utilities won't be re-regulated. So, not a complete loss this election! 'Night.

1,206 posted on 11/09/2005 1:13:22 AM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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