Israelis Developing Alternatives To Arab Oil

Arutz-7 News Service ^ | 8NOV05 | Ezra HaLevi

[Aetius]

Interesting

[NZerFromHK]

"...transforming it into a flammable gas. Burning that gas is environmentally-friendly, releases no greenhouse gases..."

Sirens of junk science or nonsense are heard! All flammable gases will at least produce carbon dioxide in "cleanese" combustions, according to my high school Chemistry.

[razorback-bert]

Genova’s method heats the waste to temperatures abover 1500 degrees Fahrenheit

What and how much energy is used to generate that heat?

[Sam Gamgee]

Sounds like a pipe dream.

[Alexander Rubin]

Interesting, if true.

[kiwiexpat]

There's a company in the US that is building plants that convert garbage into oil as well. It's called Changing Technology. Apparently they build plants next to poultry and meat slaugther houses and convert stuff like turkey guts into oil.

[Willie Green]

From one ton of garbage, half a ton of oil, 300 kg of gas or 150 kg of green coal, from which electricity is produced, can be extracted, according to inventor Dr. Sergei Rosenberg.

I guess Sergei doesn't believe in Chanukkah any more, the old Scrooge.

[PositiveCogins]

"Genova’s method heats the waste to temperatures abover 1500 degrees Fahrenheit"

Thermal depolymerization ,old news.

[FunkyChicken]

Guess which greenhouse gas composes 98% of all GH gases? Water vapor! The amount of infra-red radiation that CO2 reflects compared to water vapor is extremely small.

BTW, don't you exhale carbon dioxide? Take the amount of CO2 yearly that you exhale multiply it by 6 billion and you have a big problem. Looks like we will need you and about 5.5 billion of you to stop breathing to control Solar Warming that is also affecting every other planet in our solar system.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane4.htm
Go about 1/3 the way down and see how the other planets are experiencing Solar Warming.

FC

[Alexander Rubin]

Do you know how it works exactly? I'm quite interested.

[PositiveCogins]

There are quite a few web sites on the subject but what it boils down too is you take a load of crap heat it up to a high temperature say over 500f under pressure around 750psi. with water. The pressure and the heat help the water break down the carbon chains into hydrocarbons then the pressure is released quickly to get rid of the excess water and you have oil. The web sites can explain this a lot better than I can.

[Alexander Rubin]

Fascinating.

[hripka]

Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 ^ | May 2003 | Brad Lemley
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897232/posts

[Whitewasher]

Sounds like something similar is going on in the states right now. I hope it comes out big!

[hripka]

It's called Changing Technology

see post #14

[CzarNicky]

Dr. Rosenberg gained the experience necessary to come up with his invention from working in Russia before he immigrated to Israel. "In Russia I helped with the building of an artificial reservoir, a number of power stations and I designed the water system for the nuclear core in Chernobyl, but Israel did not hire me for similar work since I don't have any connections.

No offense dude but I would have left the Chernobyl thing off my resume.

[snowsislander]

There's a company in the US that is building plants that convert garbage into oil as well. It's called Changing Technology.

Their website is http://www.changingworldtech.com/

However, they ran across a problem: they had expected to be able to get the refuse for essentially free (or maybe even expected to receive a disposal fee), but the fact that they are being charged for the turkey refuse is driving up their costs.

From a good story about what has happened there:

Appel and his colleagues had assumed turkey waste would cost nothing because they expected the federal government to put a ban on feeding animal waste to animals. They estimated that processing plants would pay them $24 a ton to take away the offal.

But that didn't happen, and Appel now is paying $52 a ton for animal waste, he said.

From a recent press release:

After a decade of intensive development, the first commercial-scale waste-to-oil plant based on the Thermal Conversion Process (TCP) of Changing World Technologies is successfully processing up to 270 tons of poultry offal into 300 barrels of oil daily in Carthage, Missouri. (Source: April 7th, 2005 press release).

It doesn't take long for even a small cost per pound of offal to strongly affect the operating costs to produce only 300 barrels of oil.

I have to admit that I am surprised to find that there is actually a market for turkey offal. I would have thought that Changing World would have been paid to dispose of the waste, instead of having to pay $52 a ton for it.

[gitmo]

Is this the same method the Germans used in WW2 for oil?

[PositiveCogins]

Don't know. The Germans were using all kinds of stuff towards the end but I think they used a lot of coal to make their fuel. I always wondered where technology would be today if Germany could have kept going after the war. By ransacking the place I think we gained more knowledge than we would have in 50 years. At that time of course.