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What's worse FAKE POLLS or REAL CIRCULATION NUMBERS?
1 posted on 11/07/2005 2:31:34 PM PST by new yorker 77
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1. USA Today, 2,296,335, down 0.59 percent

Thank God for Holiday Inns and Motel 6es, eh USAToday?

45 posted on 11/07/2005 3:26:30 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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They must think that the people who respond to their skewered polls actually read their skewered news too.


47 posted on 11/07/2005 3:29:38 PM PST by Radix (Wishful Thinking: A Tag Line Field which actually contains enough places to complete a serious thou)
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Loosing share? TRY THE TRUTH !


49 posted on 11/07/2005 3:34:25 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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Anyone know where you can get a more complete list?


50 posted on 11/07/2005 3:35:10 PM PST by cowtowney
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The Dallas Morning News is not even in the top 20 papers in the country?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha...nice job Robert


52 posted on 11/07/2005 3:37:24 PM PST by cowtowney
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Not good.
54 posted on 11/07/2005 3:49:04 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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Not surprised about the Chicago Tribune making the Top 10 on this list. I cancelled our subscription after it got bought out by the same company that publishes the LA Slimes.


55 posted on 11/07/2005 3:51:59 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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It looks like the San Jose Mercury News is so small it did not make the list....

Both SJMN and the Chronicle remind me of the slow demise of the Oakland Tribune....

The paper preached to the choir but the choir was mostly unemployed, illiterate and could not afford the paper...
58 posted on 11/07/2005 3:54:24 PM PST by Prost1 (If the dems want to unite the country then they should join in our federal democracy.)
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18. The Plain Dealer, Cleveland, 339,055, down 4.46 percent !!!
59 posted on 11/07/2005 3:56:02 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-ElRushbo quote.)
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The Wall Street Journal circulation is down 1%, but they also have a pretty good paid online subscription.

They also have the best editorial page in the country.


61 posted on 11/07/2005 4:03:14 PM PST by cowtowney
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002609552_webcirc07.html

Monday, November 7, 2005 - Page updated at 11:02 AM

Times, P-I both drop in circulation
By Bill Richards

Special to The Seattle Times

Circulation declines at both of Seattle's daily newspapers accelerated in the past six months, with the Post-Intelligencer showing the sharper daily drop — down 9 percent during the six-month period ended Sept. 30, compared with the similar period a year ago.

The Seattle Times' circulation for the period fell 7 percent and the papers' combined Sunday circulation was down 5 percent.

According to the figures released today by the Audit Bureau of Circulations, The Times' daily circulation for the period was 215,502, down from 231,051 a year ago.

The P-I's circulation in the period fell to 132,694 from 145,964.

The Sunday Times/P-I, which carries content mostly from The Times, had a circulation of 441,398, compared with 462,920 last year.The local circulation figures mirrored declines at many major papers around the U.S.

Hearst Corp., which owns the P-I, said circulation at its San Francisco Chronicle dropped 16.5 percent. Circulation losses were also reported by the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times, as well as by the Knight Ridder newspaper chain with 32 papers in cities such as Miami, Philadelphia and San Jose.

The nation's second-largest newspaper chain, Knight Ridder reported that overall circulation fell about 2 percent daily and 3.5 percent for Sunday editions. The company owns 49.5 percent of The Seattle Times Co.

Industry experts blame the national declines on several factors, including a shift by younger readers and advertisers to Internet-based news and cable-television news operations, and federal restrictions on telemarketing for new subscribers.

Both The Times and P-I have wrestled with additional problems. They operate under a joint operating agreement (JOA) in which The Times prints, distributes and markets both papers. The papers publish separately, but pool their revenue, with The Times getting 60 percent and the P-I 40 percent, after The Times is paid for its non-news operations.

Both papers have been locked in a bitter legal and public relations fight over the JOA since April 2003. The Times is seeking to end or amend the agreement, contending that the P-I has dragged down revenue because of circulation losses. Hearst sued in state court to block The Times and says its paper can't survive outside the agreement.

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62 posted on 11/07/2005 4:10:52 PM PST by paulat
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I wouldn't even trust these numbers as "real".
I live in Allentown, PA.
I subscribe to the Morning Call newspaper for Saturday and Sunday.
They give me Thursday and Friday for free.
Sometimes, I get Monday for free also.
Somehow, I'd bet that those free ones count toward their circulation, even though I don't subscribe to them.


63 posted on 11/07/2005 4:14:53 PM PST by riskybiz
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At least as of last May, the conservative Washington Times continued to increase its circulation.

http://washingtontimes.com/business/20050518-120247-7729r.htm

When I had to return to the left coast for a few months, I subscribed to the Times by mail. I was always a few days behind in my news, but almost none of the articles needed "barf alert" labels. I could sit down in a coffee shop, drink my coffee, and actually enjoy reading a paper. Very civilized.


64 posted on 11/07/2005 4:15:41 PM PST by TChad
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I wonder if there will be a complimentary copy of the Left-A** Times on my doorstep in the morning, with a hit piece on Governor Schwarzenegger (as there was in the days leading up to the recall election)...IIRC, that "propaganda drop" contributed greatly to their decline.


65 posted on 11/07/2005 4:19:32 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("A gov't big enough to give you all you want is a gov't big enough to take all you have." G.Ford)
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I've heard there is a lot of fudging the circulation numbers. IOW, fake subscription numbers do not translate into real readers.


70 posted on 11/07/2005 4:44:51 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Confirm Judge Alito now. Yes I am an Alitist)
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I usually buy the Atlanta Journal-Constitution for some humorous reading over lunch. Today, it was even more chock full of liberal drivel than usual. Every story was slanted, which is unusual. Jim Wooten had the day off. At least I haven't seen Dowd, Friedman, etal for a few days!


72 posted on 11/07/2005 4:46:13 PM PST by 308MBR (If we ain't supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?)
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3. The New York Times, 1,126,190, up 0.46 percent

Now we know who hired all the Enron accountants.

73 posted on 11/07/2005 4:47:34 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Confirm Judge Alito now. Yes I am an Alitist)
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And the liberal rags still don't get the hint


74 posted on 11/07/2005 4:49:20 PM PST by Mo1
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13. San Francisco Chronicle, 391,681, down 16.4 percent

All right, we won!

80 posted on 11/07/2005 6:36:20 PM PST by Syncro
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Media Schadenfreude PING.

Life is good.

http://www.burrellesluce.com/top100/

They have two PDFs of the top 100 newsrags for 2004 & 2005 - apparently interpolated from A(udit)BC's numbers.

82 posted on 11/07/2005 7:38:15 PM PST by an amused spectator (If Social Security isn't broken, then cut me a check for the cash I have into it.)
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