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To: Fred Nerks; Vicomte13
Vicomte 13 is in Connecticut right now...

Good catch. I guess THIS is why I was snowed.

From V13: "Those shots could have killed somebody, but clearly there's not a mass, armed movement going on here."

A little less than honest if you ask me.

45 posted on 11/07/2005 3:54:02 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: houeto

"Those shots could have killed somebody, but clearly there's not a mass, armed movement going on here."

Stop this.
There was nothing disingenuous.

Cleary there is not a mass ARMED movement going on THERE.

I am not playing semantic games.
France is not experiencing a jihad.
She is experiencing a social explosion of disaffected French youth.

Arson is bad, and so is throwing stones at police.
But go and look at the coverage of farmer's protests that occur from time to time, when they close the borders and turn over and burn Spanish trucks filled with tomatoes or block the roads. Severe labor unrest is usually accompanied by property damage to vehicles and storefronts.

Nobody pretends that this is GOOD.
It is very, very bad.
What it is not is a civil war, or a Muslim jihad.
This is a French protest, unrolling in the pattern of violent French protests of the past.
Example of the difference:
In Israel, the terrorists blow themselves up and the bus.
In France, the hotheads stop the bus, make the driver get off, then they light it on fire.

These are not the same thing, at all.
Both are bad behavior, but the first behavior is much worse.

What is being watched in France most closely is to see the degree of violence. Blows and beatings and things burnt or some people cut: this fits the pattern of historical French riots and violent manifestations.

If armed battles begin to occur on the streets, if people begin to be murdered, if sniper fire begins to be taken up, things will be radicalizing and things will have turned Islamist.

But that has not happened yet. And the reason that the police do not simply massacre the rioters in the streets is so that it won't.


344 posted on 11/07/2005 11:51:10 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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