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To: Vicomte13

Thanks again for your opinion. But, despite your viewpoint, just from the reading I've done in the last few days (accepting the fact that everything available all has to be taken on faith with several grains of salt, since I am not there, haven't studied up the situation, etc), it seems inconceivable that Islam has no place in this violence at all.

You state that just because a French person is baptized in a church doesn't make him a Catholic, so just because most if not all of those rioters were born into Muslim families doens't make them Muslim. The problem is that the character of Islam is very, very different than the character of Catholicism in particular or Christianity in general. At any rate, the situation is one which doesn't seem to have a solution, either immediate or long term.


879 posted on 11/05/2005 8:10:54 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
...it seems inconceivable that Islam has no place in this violence at all.

Behind every human endeavor...behind every faith...is a spirit.

The spirit behind Islam is Allah. Allah isn't a demon. He is the leader of demons. Allah is the big kahuna of evil.

I suspect you already know that.

904 posted on 11/05/2005 8:31:07 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: little jeremiah

"At any rate, the situation is one which doesn't seem to have a solution, either immediate or long term."

It has a solution, several solutions.

Rather than talking about the various solutions that would make things better, I'll just tell you what will happen.

The government will talk a lot about law and order, and send in police to many places, but they won't start shooting down the rioters.

The rioters will be confined geographically to the areas where they live, and there will be many arrests. Eventually, when a lot of cars have been burnt and windows smashed, relative calm will be restored by simple gravity. People cannot remain on riot forever. The Beurs will be worse off than ever, because shops in their areas will be destroyed. The rest of France will be as determined as ever to keep them out of jobs, etc.

And things will return to the status quo, albeit with more simmering violence and property damage.

The other things that could be done: full-scale affirmative action and expansion of government jobs programs, have problems with them. The first violates French morality by favoring one citizen over another based on race. Americans under Nixon went the affirmative action route, and it worked, but French thinking about the equality of man is too rigid, and the French will rather endure riots and erect barriers to further isolate the bad areas than they will be willing to consider a derogation from the principle of fundamental equality under the law.

Massive government jobs programs will not be sustainable on the French budget.

Cutting labor regulations so that the private sector could produce more jobs is politically acceptable also, for that will provoke a General Strike of the working whites all over the country, and bring down the government.

So, the "solution" will be to further isolate and hem in the Beurs, and to keep them more closely guarded.


1,090 posted on 11/07/2005 8:28:50 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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