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To: GrandEagle
I believe you are right. The 14th Amendment guarantees the rights of citizens to anyone born or naturalized in this country.
9 posted on 11/04/2005 6:01:17 AM PST by brothers4thID (Do you stand with us, or are you going to just stand in the way?)
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To: brothers4thID
I don't see any way around it. Even for those who like the elastic Constitution.

If they will keep it simple and to the point it should be a "no brainer".
16 posted on 11/04/2005 6:06:56 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: brothers4thID
The 14th Amendment guarantees the rights of citizens to anyone born or naturalized in this country.

You left out a clause. They not only need to be born here but they also need to be "subject to the jurisdiction of". Now we have repeatedly argued in this forum about what that particular clause means so I am not going to engage in that discussion again but the bottom line is that it will mean whatever the Congress and the Courts decide it means. The Constitution gives solely to Congress the power to establish our immigration policy. The Constitution also gives to Congress the power to limit the jurisdiction of the Courts including the Supreme Court. It seems to me that if Congress has enough desire, they can limit birthright citizenship with action that falls short of a Constitutional Amendment.

20 posted on 11/04/2005 6:11:29 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: brothers4thID

"and under the jurdisdiction thereof"


24 posted on 11/04/2005 6:15:58 AM PST by HighFlier
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To: brothers4thID; GrandEagle

I don't believe it takes an Amendment to get rid of the illegals-born-into-citizenship problem. See, the 14th also contains the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", something that could be established does not apply to those who criminally invade our country (and the spawn thereof).


70 posted on 11/04/2005 6:47:50 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: brothers4thID

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof....see post #147.


150 posted on 11/04/2005 8:44:16 AM PST by Hostage
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