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To: thoughtomator
I don't believe it takes an Amendment to get rid of the illegals-born-into-citizenship problem. See, the 14th also contains the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", something that could be established does not apply to those who criminally invade our country (and the spawn thereof).

Do you really want to write into the law that illegals aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Open the jail doors ...

317 posted on 11/04/2005 3:26:47 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

The point is that by being here they've evaded the jurisdiction of the US, not behaved as if they're subject to it. Thus, a citizenship on those grounds is not supportable.


331 posted on 11/04/2005 6:19:27 PM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: ReignOfError
Do you really want to write into the law that illegals aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Open the jail doors ...

They are within the jurisdiction, but are not American subjects. Get clear on the terms before constructing a virtual strawman.

345 posted on 11/05/2005 8:41:54 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: ReignOfError
Open the jail doors ...

Are you aware that prior to the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 American Indians who remained loyal to their tribe did not receive automatic citizenship, no matter where they were born inside the country? That's because they were not subject to the jurisdiction of the US but to their sovereign tribe. It took an act of Congress to change the law.

That did not mean however if an individual had committed a crime inside the US they would not have to face the criminal justice system or would never be subject to its penalties. Your "Open the jail doors ..." is a strawman argument.

349 posted on 11/05/2005 1:33:26 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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